Marina Russa - Discussione Ufficiale

[Rick86]

Ragazzi, coi piedi di piombo quando si parla di queste cose che i movimenti dei loro sottomarini nucleari sono una delle cose considerate più segrete nella russia di ieri come in quella di oggi.

[Dominus]

Oddio ai tempi sovietici non tanto visto che c'era sempre un pedinatore dietro

[Ospite intruder]

Senza contare che sono talmente rumorosi che quasi il SOSUS non serve...

[Rick86]

Intendo open info

[Ospite intruder]

Oddio, non è che gli americani mandano in giro uomini-sandwiches ad annunciare i movimenti dei loro subs...

[Rick86]

A new chance for ”Admiral Nakhimov”?

2009-02-16

Speaker in the Russian Federation Council Sergey Mironov says he will do what he can to resume the reconstruction of the heavy battle cruiser “Admiral Nakhimov” currently moored at the Sevmash yard in Severodvinsk.

During a visit to Arkhangelsk last week, Mr. Mironov highlighted that the federal government should step up financing of the “Admiral Nakhimov”. The vessel has been docked at Sevmash for 12 years and federal authorities do not allocate sufficient annual funding for completion. Over the last years, Moscow has allocated an annual 250 million RUB to the project.

 

It is expected that about three billion RUB will be needed for the complete modernization of the vessel.

 

The “Admiral Nakhimov” was delivered to the Russian Navy by the Baltiiskaya Yard in Sankt Petersburg in 1985.

 

(Barent Observer)

[Rick86]

Concludo la carrellata di news.

 

1) La seconda FFG classe Neustrashimy, la Yaroslav Mudry, molto vicina al completamento

 

 

 

2) Il primo Borei inizierà le prove in mare in primavera. Adesso non può a causa delle condizioni del mare, rischiose per la prima uscita in assoluto

Ria Novosti

 

3) After a report of a state comission on Saturday on the condition of Admiral Nakhimov, now it is almost certain that after 5 more years and an extensive and costly modernization the cruiser will join the Russan Navy.

[Dominus]

Certo che nel naviglio di superficie il gap con l'occidente si fa impietoso...

[enrr]

Notare il pennant in stile AMERICANO :asd:

qualcuno si starà rivoltando nella tomba :rotfl:

 

questa la capoclasse nettamente diversa

[Ospite iscandar]

A new chance for ”Admiral Nakhimov”?

2009-02-16

Speaker in the Russian Federation Council Sergey Mironov says he will do what he can to resume the reconstruction of the heavy battle cruiser “Admiral Nakhimov” currently moored at the Sevmash yard in Severodvinsk.

During a visit to Arkhangelsk last week, Mr. Mironov highlighted that the federal government should step up financing of the “Admiral Nakhimov”. The vessel has been docked at Sevmash for 12 years and federal authorities do not allocate sufficient annual funding for completion. Over the last years, Moscow has allocated an annual 250 million RUB to the project.

 

It is expected that about three billion RUB will be needed for the complete modernization of the vessel.

 

The “Admiral Nakhimov” was delivered to the Russian Navy by the Baltiiskaya Yard in Sankt Petersburg in 1985.

 

(Barent Observer)

 

link a google maps

[Rick86]

Altra carrellata di news. C'è un articolo molto bello su Information Dissemination: Observing the new sea centric strategic view of Russia

di cui consiglio la lettura.

 

L'articolo è pieno inoltre di collegamenti e news interessanti:

Un articolo di Luca Bonsignore sui futuri procurement russi

Il fatto che le nuove CVN in costruzione saranno una joint venture con Thales Barents Observer e RIA novosti

[Dominus]

Ma luca bonsignore è parente?

[enrr]

Lo figliuolo di Ezio

 

Sempre da RIA un bel taglio alla flotta del Pacifico (qui)

Modificato 5 Marzo 2009 da enrr

[Rick86]

Lo stato della flotta sottomarina russa

 

Russia's submarine fleet has 60 vessels in active service

16:23 | 19/ 03/ 2009

 

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MOSCOW, March 19 (RIA Novosti) - The Russian Navy maintains a fleet of about 60 nuclear-powered and diesel-electric submarines, a senior Navy official said on Thursday.

 

"These 60 vessels include 10 nuclear-powered strategic submarines, over 30 nuclear-powered attack submarines, diesel-electric submarines and special-purpose subs," the source said.

 

Delta-IV and Delta-III class subs form the backbone of Russia's strategic submarine fleet. They each carry 16 ballistic missiles with multiple warheads, and feature advanced electronics and noise reduction.

 

"The world's largest Typhoon-class submarines also remain in service with the Russian Navy," the official said.

 

The Dmitry Donskoy submarine has been modernized as a test platform for Russia's new Bulava missile. Two other subs, the Arkhangelsk and the Severstal, remain in reserve at a naval base in Severodvinsk in north Russia.

 

"They will most likely be modernized to carry new-generation sea-based cruise missiles to match the U.S. Ohio class submarines," he said.

 

Russia has started mooring trials of the first Borey class nuclear-powered strategic submarine, which will be equipped with Bulava sea-based ballistic missiles.

 

The Yury Dolgoruky submarine, built at the Sevmash plant in northern Russia, was taken out of dry dock in April 2007.

 

The vessel is 170 meters (580 feet) long, has a hull diameter of 13 meters (42 feet), a crew of 107, including 55 officers, maximum depth of 450 meters (about 1,500 feet) and a submerged speed of about 29 knots. It can carry up to 16 ballistic missiles and torpedoes.

 

Two other Borey class nuclear submarines, the Alexander Nevsky and the Vladimir Monomakh, are currently under construction at the Sevmash shipyard and are expected to be completed in 2009 and 2011. Russia is planning to build a total of eight submarines of this class by 2015.

 

Russia's nuclear-powered attack submarine fleet comprises vessels of the Oscar II and Akula class. Each sub is equipped with 24 SS-N-19 Shipwreck long-range anti-ship cruise missiles.

 

A fourth-generation Graney class nuclear-powered attack submarine will be delivered to the Russian Navy in 2010-2011. The Severodvinsk submarine combines the ability to launch a variety of long-range cruise missiles (up to 3,100 miles) with nuclear warheads, and effectively engage hostile submarines and surface warships.

 

"The tests of the cruise missile for the submarine are under way," the source said.

 

Diesel-electric submarines in the Russian Navy are represented by Kilo class vessels. They will be gradually replaced by Project 667 Lada class submarines. The sub features a new anti-sonar coating for its hull, an extended cruising range, and advanced anti-ship and anti-submarine weaponry, including Club-S cruise missile systems.

 

The first submarine of the Lada class, named the St. Petersburg, is undergoing sea trials and may enter service with the Russian Navy this year.

 

A second Lada class submarine, the Kronshtadt, which is the first in the production series, is also being built at St. Petersburg's Admiralty Shipyards and will be commissioned in 2009.

 

A third submarine, whose keel was laid in November 2006, is named after a city associated with Russian naval glory - Sevastopol - and is expected to be launched in 2010.

 

The source also said the Russian Navy has several 'special purpose' submarines designed for testing of new technologies and weaponry. Some open sources earlier reported the existence of Project 20120 B-90 Sarov diesel-electric submarine, which has a nuclear reactor as a supplementary power generator.

 

The vessel was commissioned in 2007 and according to some reports may be used by Russia's Northern Fleet as a spy vessel in northern waters.

 

60 unità "operative"di cui:

- 10 SSBN

- 30 SSN

- 20 SSK

 

Gli SSBN sono tutti tranne uno Delta III e IV, i due Typhoon rimanenti pare verranno modernizzati per trasportare missili da crociera, come hanno fatto gli americani con gli Ohio.

10 SSN sono Akula, 2 sono Sierra, 8 sono Oscar (fonte: Janes) e 5 sono Victor III. Gli altri tre non so.

Gli SSK sono kilo (progetto base 636 e migliorato 877 con sonar rimorchiato) e un nuovo Lada.

 

In arrivo i Borei (con cui finalmente sostituiranno i Delta III e, in prospettiva, i Delta IV e qualche Yasen per radiare almeno i vecchi Victor III.

 

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Per i moderatori: in linea con quanto fatto fin'ora per la razionalizzazione dei topic, suggerisco di rinominare questa discussione "Marina Russa: Discussione Ufficiale"

Modificato 20 Marzo 2009 da Rick86

[robygun]

Gli SSGN li han rottamati tutti??

[Ospite intruder]

Gli SSGN li han rottamati tutti??

 

Non ce n'è bisogno, han fatto la fine del Kursk. Almeno un Oscar dovrebbe essere ancora in servizio, comunque. E a chji interessano gli Yasen, ho trovato questo:

 

 

 

 

Modificato 20 Marzo 2009 da intruder

[Rick86]

Gli SSGN sono inclusi negli SSN.

 

Sugli Oscar II, dal Janes: 13 unità costruite, due della prima serie e 11 della seconda. Interrotta la costruzione di una unità della II serie.

 

7 unità ancora in servizio, il più giovane della classe ha 12 anni, il più vecchio 22; fino a 30 anni tirano:

 

- Irkutsk (K-132), commissionato nel 1987

- Voronezh (K-119) commissionato nel 1988

- Smolensk (K-410) commissionato nel 1990

- Cheliabinsk (K-442) commissionato nel 1990

- Orel (K-266) commissionato nel 1992

- Omsk (K-186) commissionato nel 1993

- Tomsk (K-527) commissionato nel 1997

 

 

Voronezh e Danil Moskovskiy (Victor III); notare l\'alloggiamento del sonar rimorchiato sul Victor

 

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Intruder, grazie per le immagini molto interessanti

Modificato 20 Marzo 2009 da Rick86

[Rick86]

Russia could focus on tactical nuclear weapons for subs

12:43 | 23/ 03/ 2009

 

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MOSCOW, March 23 (RIA Novosti) - Russia may prioritize the development of nuclear-powered attack submarines armed with nuclear-capable cruise missiles in the future, while maintaining its fleet of strategic subs, a senior Navy official said.

 

The Russian Navy maintains a fleet of about 60 submarines, including 10 nuclear-powered strategic submarines, over 30 nuclear-powered attack submarines, diesel-electric submarines and special-purpose subs.

 

"Probably, tactical nuclear weapons [on submarines] will play a key role in the future," Vice Admiral Oleg Burtsev, deputy head of the Navy General Staff, told RIA Novosti. "Their range and precision are gradually increasing."

 

"There is no longer any need to equip missiles with powerful nuclear warheads. We can install low-yield warheads on existing cruise missiles," he said.

 

The admiral mentioned Russia's new Severodvinsk nuclear-powered attack submarine, which will be commissioned with the Navy in 2010-2011, as an example.

 

The fourth-generation Graney class submarine combines the ability to launch a variety of long-range cruise missiles (up to 3,100 miles) with nuclear warheads, and effectively engage hostile submarines and surface warships.

 

However, Russia will maintain and upgrade its fleet of strategic submarines, carrying ballistic missiles, as a naval component of the nuclear triad.

 

"In this regard, we will build at least six Borey-class strategic submarines to serve in the Northern and the Pacific fleets," Burtsev said.

 

The first Borey-class submarine, the Yury Dolgoruky, was built at the Sevmash plant in northern Russia, and is undergoing mooring trials. It will carry up to 16 Bulava-M sea-based ballistic missiles.

 

Two other Borey class nuclear submarines, the Alexander Nevsky and the Vladimir Monomakh, are currently under construction at the Sevmash shipyard and are expected to be completed in 2009 and 2011.

[Ospite intruder]

Interessante, ma gli conviene? I russi hanno sempre dato un discreto peso ai cruises, di qualunque tipo, nucleari e no. Solo pare di capire che ora vogliano basare tutto il loro deterrente subacqueo su quel tipo, non mi pare logico per quanti problemi abbiano (e ne hanno) a mantenere una flotta seppur minima di SSBNs.

Modificato 29 Marzo 2009 da intruder

[Rick86]

No non intendono di certo basare tutto il loro deterrente sui cruise. Per quanto tu lo migliori, resta sempre un missile più facile da intercettare di un ICBM o un SLBM.

Penso vedano le nuke sui cruise più come armi tattiche che strategiche

[Ospite intruder]

Ecco il commento di aviationweek sulla faccenda dei sub:

 

The Russian Navy is planning in two years to receive its first multipurpose nuclear-powered submarines with long-range cruise missiles, a move that could follow with arming them with low-capacity nuclear warheads, a Russian defense ministry source told the official Itar-Tass news agency there March 27.

 

The new Severodvinsk attack submarine - Project 855 Yasen, also known as Graney - is expected to be commissioned in 2011. At least six such subs of the class will be built, the ministry said. The Sevmash shipyard could complete deliveries of the entire group by 2017.

 

Manufacturing of the Severodvinsk was initiated at the end of 1993 and was practically frozen for more than a decade due to luck of adequate financing.

 

The Severodvinsk's long-range cruise missiles could be equipped with low-capacity nuclear warheads and intended to attack aircraft carrier strike groups, as well as a coastal targets, the ministry said. The missile could maneuver at a hypersonic speed at its terminal phase of flight.

 

New weapon capabilities could influence Russian Navy strategy. "Probably, tactical nuclear weapons [on submarines] will play a key role in the future," Vice Adm. Oleg Burtsev, deputy head of the Navy General Staff, told the Ria Novosti state news agency. "Their range and precision are gradually increasing."

 

"There is no longer any need to equip missiles with powerful nuclear warheads. We can install low-capacity warheads on existing cruise missiles," he said.

 

Nevertheless, the Navy is planning to boost and upgrade its fleet of strategic submarines, carrying larger nuclear ballistic missiles. "We will build at least six Borey-class [Project 955] strategic submarines to serve in the Northern and the Pacific fleets," Burtsev said.

 

The Yury Dolgoruky, the Borey-class flagship, already is built and is undergoing trials. The sub will carry up to 16 Bulava-M (SS-NX-30) solid-propellant rocket engine ballistic missiles, which are still in development.

 

Ten Bulava test launches have been conducted since 2003, with only five officially recognized as successful. Nevertheless, Deputy Defense Minister Vladimir Popovkin said the ministry expects to complete trials by the end of this year. Consequently, more than four missiles will be built and tested this year.

 

Ria Novosti reported a year ago that Russian officials had predicted wrapping up tests in 2008.

 

The Russian Navy is believed to operate a fleet of about 60 subs, including 10 nuclear-powered strategic boats and more than 30 nuclear-powered attack subs.

[picpus]

Rinazionalizzato il cantiere navale dell'Amur (con un debito di 821 milioni di euro, era, ormai, sul punto di fallire).

 

 

Eccovi il link ad un articolo in francese:

 

http://www.corlobe.tk/article14062.html

 

 

ed il link ad un articolo in inglese:

 

http://www.moscowtimes.ru/article/600/42/377018.htm

[Simone]

Scusate l'ignoranza, ma si legge su fonti "pubbliche" cartacee, ma anche su Wikipedia ed altri siti, che i sommergibili noti come Oscar fossero stati concepiti con due ruoli: attaccare le portaerei fidando sulla scarsa "udibilità" (calco per visibilità adattato ai sonar) ed essere veicolo di missili balistici anche nucleari. Ora si legge della futura presenza di sommergibili di attacco, ma anche loro forniti di missili potenzialmente nucleari: secondo voi quale è la motivazione "strategica" di queste scelte, che fanno pensare ad una volontà di essere attrezzati per attaccare piuttosto che per difendere le coste?

[vorthex]

ma gli SSN non hanno solo il compito di difendere la costa dagli SSBN. ne hanno molteplici (tra cui anche il Land Attack) e nulla, comunque, vieta di affondare un boomers con un siluro o missile nucleare.

[VittorioVeneto]

La Russia continua a mostrare i muscoli , beccati due akula in pattugliamento davanti alla East Coast Americana:

 

http://www.lastampa.it/redazione/cmsSezion...46168girata.asp