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[Ospite intruder]

ARMCHAIR IDIOTS SHOULD STOP ATTACKING TYPE 45s

 

The first of the Royal Navy’s new Type 45 destroyers, Daring, entered her home port of Portsmouth for the first time at the end of January. The milestone event followed the 7,000 tons warship’s completion and successful sea trials in the hands of builders BVT Surface Fleet, which is assembling all six Type 45 destroyers at its Glasgow shipyard. The bows, funnel and mast of the Darings are, in fact, constructed as modules at BVT’s Portsmouth facility, so, technically, it was not the first time some of the new warship had been in the Hampshire naval city. Daring’s arrival at Pompey was attended by all the usual media hoopla surrounding the advent of a high-tech major warship that represents many years of hard works and a huge investment of taxpayers’ money. That is quite understandable. It is only right that the media should show an interest…

 

But, we have to ask, who are these idiots who waffle on about the Royal Navy’s new Type 45 destroyers not being needed?

 

What do the armchair admirals and sea blind media pundits suggest the British fleet throws at sophisticated air threats many times more serious than anything faced in either the Falklands War or Desert Storm? Snowballs? Without Daring, the Royal Navy would stray into serious threat zones naked of a critical layer in protection. Other fleets have been operating their versions of the Type 45 for some time, but the naysayers would rather British sailors and marines rely on the 1970s-era Type 42 destroyers. At £600 million apiece the Darings are expensive, but that’s partly because the UK government cut the programme in half. It is now only going to authorise construction of six Type 45s instead of the dozen that are actually needed. Despite that, £600 million for a sovereign piece of UK territory that can be placed in international waters anywhere on the globe, and from which you can deter enemies from attacking your citizens and vital interests, as well as launch Royal Marines or provide humanitarian aid, all over a 30-year service life, is certainly a good return on taxpayers’ money. It compares well with the hundreds of billions potentially poured down the drain by the UK Government in recent months in attempting to save various banks from collapse. A Type 45 will probably outlast your average UK bank or building society. It has been pointed out by some of the critics that what the Royal Navy really needs are multi-role warships that can handle piracy and terrorist threats - both areas Daring will work in. More of those ships existed in the Royal Navy - they’re called frigates by the way - but the current UK government has (as mentioned above) unwisely discarded

them but has yet to get on with ordering the next generation of such vessels. The idiots who attack the Type 45s would be better off devoting their energy to demanding Prime Minister Gordon Brown gets to grips with ensuring Britain has adequate numbers of frigates as soon as possible.

 

 

http://www.warshipsifr.com/armchair.html

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Tutte le fregate di stanza a Plymouth, saranno trasferite a Portsmouth.

 

 

Eccovi il link ad un articolo in francese:

 

http://www.corlobe.tk/article13656.html

 

 

ed il link ad un articolo in inglese:

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/7999831.stm

[diavolo rosso]

Notizia interessante!!!!!!!!

[picpus]

Stanziamento straordinario per la manutenzione dei sottomarini nucleari.

 

 

Eccovi il link ad un articolo in francese (con analisi critica della redazione del sito):

 

http://www.corlobe.tk/article13675.html

 

 

ed il link ad un articolo in inglese:

 

http://www.defencemanagement.com/news_story.asp?id=9220

[cama81]

evidentemente dopo il tamponamento l' assicurazione non ha voluto pagare

[Cartman]

Come previsto, la RAF dopo aver silurato l'aviazione navale britannica, cerca di silurare le portaerei. Ovviamente comincia in maniera gentile. Chiede solo di costruirne 1 invece di 2. :sm:

 

 

NAVY READY FOR BATTLE OVER RAF BID TO DROP CARRIERS

 

 

HOTTING UP: Navy ready to fight RAF bid

 

Sunday April 12,2009

By Tracey Boles

 

SENIOR members of the RAF are on a collision course with the Royal Navy after privately proposing that the Ministry of Defence drop one of its two planned aircraft carriers in a bid to balance the books.

 

Other RAF money-saving ideas are believed to include cancelling both carriers, and retiring the Harrier early.

 

The two carriers ordered under the Queen Elizabeth-class CVF programme are projected to cost £4 billion. They will carry 66 state-of-the-art fighter jets made by America’s Lockheed Martin called Joint Strike Fighters (JSF), and form the backbone of the future Navy.

 

The MoD is under pressure to find cost savings as it grapples with a funding deficit of £2 billion a year. However, cancelling a ship could cost up to £2 billion because all parts have already been ordered. The powerful warships, due to enter service later this decade, are also expected to sustain or create 10,000 jobs.

 

A senior industry source said: “There is a tussle going on between the RAF and Navy. They are positioning ahead of any change in Government.”

 

An MoD spokesperson said: “As part of a regular planning round decisions are being considered on a range of measures. Announcements will be made in due course.”

 

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/94656/...o-drop-carriers

[madmike]

sono usciti allo scoperto. Vedremo chi la vince, certo la RAF pare davvero agguerrita

[Cartman]

E' possibile che un sottomarino prenda fuoco?

 

Pare che HMS Astute abbia auto qualche problemino.

 

Vi sapro' dire + tardi.

[VittorioVeneto]

Che ci sarebbe di strano ? Sempre un cilindro pieno d'aria è ...

[Cartman]

Pare nulla di serio

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/518...oD-reveals.html

 

Sfortunato dalla nascita questo Astute.

[picpus]

Celebrazione dei 100 anni della "Fleet Air Arm", sperando che ... continui ad esistere!!!

 

 

Eccovi il link ad un articolo:

 

http://www.dedalonews.it/it/index.php/04/2...-fleet-air-arm/

[diavolo rosso]

Auguri!!!!!!E lunga vita (speriamo).

[picpus]

Pare nulla di serio

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/518...oD-reveals.html

 

Sfortunato dalla nascita questo Astute.

Un aggiornamento sui lavori necessari dopo l'incendio sul sottomarino "Astute".

 

 

Eccovi il link ad un articolo in francese:

 

http://www.corlobe.tk/article13886.html

 

 

ed il link ad un articolo in inglese:

 

http://www.nwemail.co.uk/news/barrow/yard_...erPath=1.272472

 

 

Sul sottomarino in argomento, vedere anche il topic al link che segue:

 

http://www.aereimilitari.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=4722

[picpus]

Celebrazione dei 100 anni della "Fleet Air Arm", sperando che ... continui ad esistere!!!

Eccovi il link ad un articolo:

 

http://www.dedalonews.it/it/index.php/04/2...-fleet-air-arm/

Il link ad un articolo sulla crisi della "Fleet Air Arm":

 

http://www.meretmarine.com/article.cfm?id=110206

[picpus]

La "Royal Navy" adegua la base scozzese di Faslane, in vista dell'arrivo degli SSN classe "Astute" (costruito un nuovo molo galleggiante).

 

 

Eccovi il link ad un articolo in francese:

 

http://www.corlobe.tk/article14201.html

 

 

ed il link ad un articolo in inglese:

 

http://www.defpro.com/news/details/7557/

[picpus]

La "Royal Navy" cerca di salvare la "Fleet Air Arm"!!!

 

 

Eccovi il link ad un articolo:

 

http://www.meretmarine.com/article.cfm?id=110494

[picpus]

Un'approfondita analisi sulla situazione disastrosa della "Royal Navy" e sulle lotte intestine tra le 3 Forze Armate britanniche.

 

 

Eccovi il link ad un articolo in francese:

 

http://www.corlobe.tk/article14739.html

 

 

ed il link ad un articolo in inglese:

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics...rikes-back.html

 

 

Al confronto, in Italia, dovremmo fare salti di gioia e santificare il tanto vituperato La Russa!!!

[Rick86]

L'articolo in francese è semplicemente la traduzione dell'articolo del Telegraph. Ben fatto consiglio a tutti di leggerlo

Contracts representing 90 per cent of construction costs of the carriers have been signed, which should ensure their survival. Whether there will be any aircraft to put on them or escorts to protect them is another matter.

"The general feeling is that there is no way back for the RN," "The Services have become the victim of their own can-do attitude," says Lord Boyce. "Whatever the resources, we find a way of winning."

 

Maybe not for much longer.

Modificato 20 Giugno 2009 da Rick86

[picpus]

L'articolo in francese è semplicemente la traduzione dell'articolo del Telegraph. Ben fatto consiglio a tutti di leggerlo

Io posto sempre i link agli articoli nelle 2 lingue, anche quando si tratta dello stesso articolo tradotto, nell'eventualità che qualche isolato forumista, sventuratamente, non conosca la lingua di Molière!!!

[Ospite intruder]

UK MPs Criticize Type 45 Destroyer Program

 

Jun 23, 2009

 

 

 

By Douglas Barrie

aviationweek.com

 

 

LONDON — The Royal Navy’s latest combat ship, the Type 45 destroyer, has provided a painful — if potentially valuable — contracting experience for the U.K. Defense Ministry, according to a parliamentary report.

 

The Public Accounts Committee report on the Type 45, published in the U.K. June 23, is highly critical of elements of the multibillion dollar program, particularly the early stages of the project.

 

“Project management arrangements on the Type 45 were poor and allowed the culture of over-optimism to persist for too long,” the report notes. Following contract renegotiation in 2007, there was an improvement in management of the program, with “no further cost increases and delays.”

 

The navy originally intended to procure 12 Type 45 anti-air warfare destroyers to replace its Type 42s. Revised requirements and budgetary pressures have seen this number cut first to eight, and later to six ships.

 

The committee says that the first of class will enter service “two years late” and that the original budget has been exceeded by £1.5 billion ($2.45 billion).

 

The committee is also critical that the ship will enter service in 2009, it says, “without a PAAMS (Principal Anti-Air Missile System) missile having been fired from any Type 45 Destroyer.”

 

The PAAMS system — to be known in navy service as the Sea Viper — already has been test fired from a trials barge, and the committee recognizes that the Defense Ministry “had always planned to adopt this approach.”

 

The Type 45, according to the report, will not reach a full operational capability until July 2011. The delays in the program have meant extending the lives of some Type 42s, which the report says “are increasingly expensive to maintain, provide a more limited capability…and are more vulnerable to the most up-to-date threats.”

 

The committee claims “many of the problems on the Type 45 result from commercial arrangements the Department (Defense Ministry) put in place.” It adds: “Inappropriate commercial structures are a major cause of slippage and cost growth in the early part of the lifecycle of large projects.”

 

The report says that the ministry “is confident that it will avoid making the same mistakes in the project management arrangements it agrees [to]” for its two new aircraft carriers. “Agreeing [to] a fixed price too early and not pricing all the requirements at the time of the contract meant the Type 45 was at risk of cost growth. The [ministry] believes it will not fall unto the same trap on the Carriers,” the committee notes.

[picpus]

Aumenta il costo delle portaerei inglesi.

 

 

Eccovi il link all'articolo in inglese:

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8125449.stm

 

 

ed il link all'articolo in francese:

 

http://www.lepoint.fr/actualites-monde/200...s/1648/0/357037

[Graziani]

Ecco delle foto al PC delle future super portaerei Britanniche classe Queen Elizabeth:

 

 

 

veramente impressionanti......viva la ROYAL NAVY

[Graziani]

La cerimonia del taglio della prima lamiera d’acciaio, destinata allo scafo della futura portaerei della Royal Navy classe Queen Elizabeth, ha avuto luogo nel cantiere di Govan di proprietà del consorzio BVT incaricato della sua costruzione, alla presenza della Principessa Anna del Regno Unito, figlia di Elisabetta II. Le due nuove portaerei, insieme al Joint Strike Fighter e ai nuovi cacciatorpedinieri Type 45, formeranno la base della capacità di proiezione aerea globale della Gran Bretagna.

 

Il Primo Lord del Mare, Ammiraglio Sir Jonathon Band, ha affermato: “La classe QE, insieme al sostegno fornito dagli aerei che costituiscono la forza di assalto, rappresenta un passo avanti nella capacità della Difesa, permettendo alla Gran Bretagna di dispiegare il suo potere aereo dal mare ovunque e ogni volta che viene richiesto. Questo effetto strategico, l’influenza che avrà e, se necessario, l’azione diretta che potrà esercitare, ci darà una gamma di opzioni senza precedenti per affrontare le sfide di una situazione di incertezza globale nel momento e nel luogo di nostra scelta. Queste navi non sono campi di aviazione di riserva, esse sono uno strumento di potere nazionale, un bastone che può essere agitato dal Governo in aree di interesse strategico per esercitare la sua influenza, costringere e scoraggiare”.

 

Mentre la costruzione dello scafo è appena agli inizi il programma ha registrato una notevole accelerazione dalla firma del contratto nel luglio dello scorso anno, con i sub-contratti conclusi per l’equipaggiamento, dai sistemi d’arma alle cabine, per un valore complessivo di 810 milioni di euro.

 

Le altre tre sezioni principali della nave saranno assemblate nei cantieri di Portsmouth e Rosyth. Altri lavori di costruzione saranno portati avanti ad Appledore e Devon. Ogni sezione sarà poi trasportata al bacino di Rosyth dove saranno riunite insieme per formare lo scafo intero della nave.

 

Le nuove unità, HMS Queen Elizabeth e HMS Prince of Wales, avranno un dislocamento di 65.000 tonnellate e potranno operare un mix di 40 velivoli ad ala fissa e rotante (36 F-35B Lightning II, 4 piattaforme Airborne Early Warning). Le due nuove portaerei, le più grandi mai costruite in UK, entreranno in servizio rispettivamente nel 2016 e nel 2018 (2 anni dopo quanto inizialmente previsto per venire incontro alla disponibilità in servizio del JSF, con conseguenti costi in aumento da 4.5 a 5.7 miliardi di euro).

 

[Graziani]

Eccovi un bel video al computer dei due bestioni:

 

video royal navy

[Embraer]

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