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[TT-1 Pinto]

Direi che le fonti che indicano la realizzazione di queste installazioni missilistiche cinesi siano troppo numerose per essere smentite a cuor leggero ... anche perché sono corredate da immagini satellitari.
A meno che non le si voglia considerare "fake news" e si creda, a scatola chiusa, alla controinformazione cinese ... gabellando come "un pò ignorante" chi ne scrive ...

[TT-1 Pinto]

Tu chiamala, se vuoi, ARROGANZA !!!

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La Cina, con una mossa del tutto inattesa, a partire dal 1° settembre 2021, pretende che tutta una serie di navi comunichino i propri dati alla propria Guardia Costiera (MSA, Maritime Safety Administration) prima di entrare nel Mar Cinese Meridionale. 
Si tratta di un’area molto vasta, racchiusa in quella che è nota come la “linea dei nove tratti”: uno spazio marittimo che lambisce le coste di diversi Paesi, e che la Cina considera come proprie acque territoriali, invece che come acque internazionali. 
Da notare che la Cina parla proprio di acque territoriali, uno spazio che secondo la Convenzione sul Diritto del Mare (UNCLOS) si può estendere fino ad un massimo di 12 miglia dalla costa, non centinaia di miglia.

... rid.it ... https://www.rid.it/shownews/4358 ...

Prima o poi gli "amici" cinesi provocheranno la Terza Guerra Mondiale ... e Putin dovrebbe stare molto attento a dare loro troppa corda perché, giorno verrà, che gli verrà presentato il conto e gli si chiederà (o imporrà) di restituire loro la Russia Asiatica ...

[cloyce]

29 minuti fa, TT-1 Pinto ha scritto:

Tu chiamala, se vuoi, ARROGANZA !!!

... rid.it ... https://www.rid.it/shownews/4358 ...

Prima o poi gli "amici" cinesi provocheranno la Terza Guerra Mondiale ... e Putin dovrebbe stare molto attento a dare loro troppa corda perché, giorno verrà, che gli verrà presentato il conto e gli si chiederà (o imporrà) di restituire loro la Russia Asiatica ...

Se non ricordo male, la Cina ha già rinunciato ai territori del nord est annessi dalla Russia con il trattato del 2001 sotto la presidenza di Jiang Zeming.

 

La rivendicazione cinese sul Mar Cinese Meridionale risale a molto prima l'ONU e UNCLOS.

Le acque territoriali si estendono fino a 12mn. Ma le ZEE molto di più. E se non sbaglio, transitare nella ZEE (Zona esclusiva economica) da parte di una nave da guerra straniera implica una serie di procedure volta a mantenere un "assetto innocuo". Ad esempio, non accendere i radar di controllo di fuoco.

Modificato 3 Settembre 2021 da cloyce

[TT-1 Pinto]

Scatole cinesi ...

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Nel Pordenonese emissari di Pechino hanno cercato di ottenere sofisticate tecnologie occidentali da applicare in campo militare, in particolare nel settore aeronautico. 
È emerso dalle indagini della Guardia di Finanza e della Procura della Repubblica della città della Destra Tagliamento, che hanno portato alla luce una ramificata struttura riconducibile agli organi istituzionali della Repubblica Popolare cinese. 
Sei le persone denunciate per violazione della legge sui materiali d’armamento (la 185/1990), 3 di cittadinanza italiana e 3 di quella cinese. 
All’esito della complessa indagine sono state inoltre ipotizzate violazioni alla vigente normativa sulla tutela delle aziende di rilievo strategico nazionale, il cosiddetto “golden power”.

 ... RID ... https://www.rid.it/shownews/4361 ...

Scagnetti !? 

Modificato 4 Settembre 2021 da TT-1 Pinto
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[TT-1 Pinto]

Freedom of Navigation Operations (FONOPs) ... 

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The U.S. Navy is disputing a claim from China that it chased an American warship out of the South China Sea after the U.S. vessel performed a freedom of navigation exercise.
USS Benfold (DDG-65) on Wednesday sailed near the Spratly Islands – which China has staked a claim to – according to a news release from U.S. 7th Fleet (*).
The People’s Liberation Army (PLA) quickly criticized the FONOP and claimed it chased the U.S. guided-missile destroyer out of the waters ...

... news.usni.org ... https://news.usni.org/2021/09/08/destroyer-performs-fonop-u-s-navy-disputes-chinese-claim-that-it-ousted-warship ...

(*) ... c7f.navy.mil ... https://www.c7f.navy.mil/Media/News/Display/Article/2766757/7th-fleet-conducts-freedom-of-navigation-operation/ ...

[TT-1 Pinto]

Pompieri di tutto il mondo ... unitevi !!!   

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Alcuni ambienti Democratici “gettano acqua sul fuoco” riducendo le preoccupazioni del pubblico americano relative agli sviluppi dei cantieri navali cinesi, in particolare nell’ambito delle portaerei, e snobbando le nuove Type 003, di cui si prevede l’ingresso in servizio nel 2025. 
Secondo quanto dichiarato da alcuni rappresentanti della Foundation for Defence of Democracies, la nuova portaerei cinese, nonostante costituisca un’importante testimonianza dello sviluppo tecnologico raggiunto dalla Cina e le sue Forze Armate, non rappresenta una nuova minaccia, o un “game-changer”, per l’US Navy, nel delicato scacchiere del Pacifico.

 ... rid.it ... https://www.rid.it/shownews/4380 ...

[engine]

I " democratici " ( Roosevelt ) pensavano la stessa cosa dei giapponesi il 6 / 12 / 1941 .

 

[TT-1 Pinto]

La corsa agli armamenti missilistici della Cina era un segreto strettamente mantenuto ...

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“Unprecedented nuclear modernization” by China that is “now going public” has been underway for years but was a tightly held secret, Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Gen. John E. Hyten said in an interview with the Brookings Institution streamed Sept. 13. 
The pace of the program is his top concern, he said.
Hyten said he saw China’s missile buildup underway when he was head of U.S. Strategic Command, from 2016 to 2019, but “it was in very classified channels and you couldn’t talk about it.” 
Now, “commercial imagery” in the press has uncloaked the scale of China’s program. 
Hyten did not say why knowledge of China’s buildup was so closely guarded, but such secrecy usually has to do with the sources and methods of intelligence.

... airforcemag.com ... https://www.airforcemag.com/china-expedited-icbm-program-top-secret-hyten-says/ ...

 

[vorthex]

Il 9/8/2021 in 13:05 , cloyce ha scritto:

Anche perchè concentrare così tanti silo in un posto solo è una cazzata.

il Dense Pack studiato per gli MX non ti dice niente, vero?

[TT-1 Pinto]

AUKUS ... accordo trilaterale in funzione anti-cinese ...

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The U.S. plans to share its submarine nuclear propulsion technology with a top ally in the Indo-Pacific, as countries in the region look for ways to hedge against China.
As part of a new trilateral security arrangement between the U.S., U.K. and Australia – known as AUKUS – the U.S. and U.K. will support an Australian push to purchase nuclear-powered attack submarines for its fleet.
Nuclear-powered submarines are largely regarded as the most survivable weapon against the Chinese fleet in the South China Sea, where U.S. Navy and Marine Corps officials expect a potential conflict with Beijing could occur. 
Nuclear-powered boats can travel much longer distances and operate underwater for longer periods of time than conventionally-powered submarines, making them ideal for the vast distances in the Indo-Pacific.

... news.usni.org ... https://news.usni.org/2021/09/15/australia-to-pursue-nuclear-attack-subs-in-new-agreement-with-u-s-u-k ...

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[TT-1 Pinto]

Rapporto al Congresso sulla modernizzazione navale cinese ...

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The following is the Sept. 9, 2021, Congressional Research Service Report, China Naval Modernization: Implications for U.S. Navy Capabilities - Background and Issues for Congress.

... news.usni.org ... https://news.usni.org/2021/09/14/report-to-congress-on-chinese-naval-modernization-11 ...

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[TT-1 Pinto]

AUKUS ... le implicazioni francesi ...
Dopo l'accordo trinazionale che prevede la realizzazione di sottomarini nucleari da parte dell'Australia con l'appoggio di Stati Uniti e Regno Unito ... scatta la protesta della Francia che vede svanire da un giorno all'altro un contratto miliardario ...

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Les États-Unis, l'Australie et le Royaume-Uni ont lancé mercredi un partenariat de sécurité «historique», conduisant Canberra à annuler la commande de plus de 56 milliards d'euros passée à l'Hexagone. 
Paris dénonce une «décision regrettable».
Les États-Unis, qui cherchent à renforcer tous azimuts leurs alliances face à la Chine, ont annoncé mercredi avec l'Australie et le Royaume-Uni un vaste partenariat de sécurité dans la zone indopacifique, comprenant notamment la livraison de sous-marins à propulsion nucléaire à Canberra. 
«La première grande initiative de (ce nouveau pacte appelé) «AUKUS» sera de livrer une flotte de sous-marins à propulsion nucléaire à l'Australie», a dit le Premier ministre australien Scott Morrison, apparaissant en visioconférence, ainsi que son homologue britannique Boris Johnson, lors d'un événement présidé par Joe Biden à la Maison Blanche.

... lefigaro.fr ... https://www.lefigaro.fr/economie/sous-marins-l-australie-pourrait-annuler-le-contrat-du-siecle-avec-la-france-20210915 ...

  

[Flaggy]

Sottomarini nucleari? Si si...vabbuò, ma gli australiani passano da un disastro all'altro...

https://www.rid.it/shownews/4389

[TT-1 Pinto]

Conseguenze del patto AUKUS ... crescerà la presenza militare degli Stati Uniti in Australia ...

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Defense Secretary Lloyd J. Austin III revealed further air defense cooperation measures and more U.S. troops to Australia on Sept .16, going beyond President Joe Biden’s announcement a day earlier that the United States and United Kingdom would share nuclear submarine technology with the Pacific ally in the face of a growing threat from China.
Speaking alongside Secretary of State Antony Blinken and their Australian counterparts at the State Department, Austin said the U.S. and Australia will increase exercises, training, and defense technology sharing.
“We will continue to explore … greater and more frequent engagement and air capabilities,” Austin said. 
“More training opportunities for our ground forces and increasing our logistical footprint in Australia as well.”
In his first hint at what the now overdue force posture review may reveal, the Secretary indicated Australia will receive more U.S. troops.
“Today, we endorsed major force posture initiatives that will expand our access and presence in Australia,” he said in his opening statement, noting further force integration and interoperability would be part of that effort.
Australian Defense Minister Peter Dutton said that would mean more basing for American troops.
“I do have an aspiration to make sure that we can increase the numbers of troops. Through the rotations, the air capability will be enhanced, our maritime capability enhanced, and certainly the force posture enhanced,” he said. 
“And if that includes basing and includes the storage of different ordinances, I think that is in Australia’s best interest.”

... airforcemag.com ... https://www.airforcemag.com/austin-announces-increased-air-operations-force-deployments-to-australia/ ...

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[TT-1 Pinto]

Intanto ... la Corea del Sud mette in servizio una nuova corvetta stealth ...

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Il Presidente di Taiwan, Tsai Ing-wen, partecipando alla cerimonia per il suo ingresso in servizio nella base di Su’ao, sulla costa orientale dell’isola, ha presentato l’unità TA CHIANG, gioiello della cantieristica nazionale taiwanese. 
La nuova nave della Marina militare di Taiwan è una corvetta stealth costruita dalla Lung Teh Shipbuilding Company e ha ricevuto da subito il soprannome di “Carrier killer” motivata dal tipo di sistemi d’arma imbarcati.

... rid.it ... https://www.rid.it/shownews/4395 ...

[TT-1 Pinto]

Estratto di una parte della trascrizione di una conferenza stampa tenuta dal Primo Ministro australiano Scott Morrison ...

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TRANSCRIPT - 19 Sep 2021
Prime Minister
E&OE

Journalist:
Just on the subs issue, do you regret any way in which it was communicated to the French?
I mean, the French Prime Minister has recalled, or the French have recalled their ambassador.
Do you regret that happening?

Prime Minister:
Well, of course, we are disappointed about the actions of recalling the ambassador, but we understand them and we respect them, and we understand the deep disappointment about the arranged contract that we had to build the Attack-class submarines here in Australia.
As we were going towards the next gate, the scope two gate, that we formed the view that the capability that the Attack-Class submarines were going to provide was not what Australia needed to protect our sovereign interests.
That's what the decision was about.
It was about protecting Australia's sovereign interests.
And, of course, it is a matter of great disappointment to the French Government and to the Naval Group, and those who are working on the project.
So, I understand their disappointment.
But, at the same time, Australia, like any sovereign nation, must always take decisions that are in our sovereign national defence interests.
And, that's what we've done in this circumstance.
I have, we have made this clear for some time.
This was an issue that had been raised by me directly some months ago, and we had continued to talk those issues through, including by defence ministers and others.
There had been a range of issues earlier in the contract and throughout the contract that we had continued, we had discussed on numerous occasions.
But, ultimately, this was a decision about whether the submarines that were being built, at great cost to the Australian taxpayer, were going to be able to do a job that we needed it to do when they went into service.
And, our strategic judgment, based on the best possible intelligence and defence advice, was that it would not.
And, so, therefore, to go forward, when we were able to secure a supreme submarine capability to support our defence operations, it would have been negligent for us not to.

Journalist:
You said you raised it some months ago …

Prime Minister:
Yes.

Journalist:
… but when did you directly tell President Macron that you were tearing up this contract?

Prime Minister:
The night before.

Journalist:
The night before the announcement?

Prime Minister:
At about 8.30, slightly after 8.30, on the night prior to the announcement.

Journalist:
So, before then they were of the opinion it was still going ahead?

Prime Minister:
Well, no, I think they had, they would have had every reason to know that we have deep and grave concerns that the capability being delivered by the Attack-class submarine was not going to meet our strategic interests.
And we had made very clear that we would be making a decision based on our strategic national interest.

Journalist:
But, if they knew, why did they accuse the Brits and the US of stabbing them in the back, and Australia?

Prime Minister:
Well, I don't share that view.

Journalist:
But, they're obviously very aggrieved by this.
If they knew that there were so many problems, why are they so aggrieved, in your mind?

Prime Minister:
Because a contract, which involved a large amount of work and a significant contractual value, was terminated.
That's understandable when that occurs, that the party that was involved in that, other party in that contract, would be aggrieved and would be disappointed.
I understand that.
I totally understand that.
But, equally, I'm sure people would understand that Australia's national interest comes first.
It must come first.
And it did come first.
And Australia's interests are best served by the trilateral partnership that I've been able to form with President Biden and Prime Minister Johnson.
That is what serves Australia's long-term national interests.
That's what I think ensures that we can contribute more significantly to peace and security in the Indo-Pacific region.
And that is what is in Australia's best interests.
So, I will always do what's in Australia's national interests.
These are difficult decisions, and their implications for these decisions, and we understand that.
And, so, we look to work with the French and many other like-minded partners.
But, on this occasion, pursuing that contract, that build for that submarine, was no longer the best decision for Australia, and it wasn't in Australia's national interest.

Journalist:
But, do you regret, do you regret the way in which you communicated this to President Macron, the way it’s led to the bilateral relationship between Australia and France deteriorating over the past couple of days?

Prime Minister:
I don't regret the decision to put Australia's national interests first.
Never will.
Thank you.

 

[TT-1 Pinto]

"AUKUS" ... un commento del "Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists" ...

... https://thebulletin.org/2021/09/the-australian-submarine-agreement-turning-nuclear-cooperation-upside-down/ ...

[TT-1 Pinto]

AUKUS ...

[Simone]

 Spero di sbagliarmi, ma vedo diverse analogie fra il comportamento della Cina di oggi con la Germania guglielmina dei primi anni del XX secolo, non ultima la corsa agli armamenti navali e il delinearsi di alleanze dapprima orientate a una cooperazione di massima e poi, con gli anni, sempre più volte a pianificare strategie dettagliate.  Sappiamo che, negli anni precedenti la prima guerra mondiale, la Germania guglielmina aveva iniziato una strategia di "penetrazione economica"  in vari Stati confinanti e anche a livello globale come base per una successiva egemonia politica e se guardiamo agli ambiziosi progetti legati alla "Nuova via della Seta" qualche analogia si vede; potrebbe essere un esercizio accademico, così tanto per discutere, se non fosse tali politiche, mosse anche da una perversa ideologia che voleva allora la Germania dell' Idealismo un "faro civilizzatore del Mondo" ( anche qui, sinistra analogia con l' ideologia marxisto-cofuciana cinese) , avrebbero portato in pochi anni alla prima guerra mondiale e credo che occorra farequalcosa per disinnescare la bomba cinese. Mi stupisco che nessuno abbia ancora pensato a un' operazione di "decapitation strike" della leadership del PC Cinese. Putin, dal canto suo, negli ultimi tempi è apparso sempre più propenso a mettere in atto omicidi mirati di persone in un certo senso sgradite, pensiamo a Litvinenko, Yushenko e recentemente a Navalny, e la storia cinese è ricca di omicidi politici di mandarini e pure imperatori...

Modificato 24 Settembre 2021 da Simone
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[TT-1 Pinto]

"AUKUS" ... realizzare quei sottomarini non sarà una cosa facile e richiederà parecchio tempo ... 

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The effort to build Australia’s fleet of nuclear attack submarines could take decades to both design the boats and create the shipbuilding capacity and adequate oversight to support the effort, Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Mike Gilday said on Thursday.
The tripartite Australia, U.K. and U.S. technology pact – AUKUS – has established a framework that has kicked off an 18-month study effort to outline the scope of what the three countries need to start the Royal Australian Navy program.
“This is everything from a defense industrial base in Australia, to a community inside the Australian Navy that’s able to man, train and equip those submarines to sustain them, to the oversight mechanism similar to what we have in the United States Navy to oversee those nuclear-powered vessels. This is a very long-term effort that’ll be decades before the submarine goes in the water, it could be. I don’t see this as a short-term timeline,” Gilday said during a Thursday Defense One conference.
“We have an 18-month exploratory period that’ll get after a lot of these questions, and help Australia come to grips with exactly what they need to do to get in a path akin to the United States Navy.”

... news.usni.org ... https://news.usni.org/2021/09/23/cno-gilday-developing-building-australian-nuclear-submarine-could-take-decades ...

   

[TT-1 Pinto]

Taiwan ... dimostrazione di forza di velivoli provenienti dalla Cina Continentale ...

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Two dozen Chinese fighter jets, bombers, and surveillance aircraft intruded into Taiwan's air defense identification zone (ADIZ) on Thursday (Sept. 23), a day after news broke that Taiwan had submitted an application to take part in the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP) trade group.
At 4:30 p.m. on Thursday afternoon, Taiwan's Ministry of National Defense (MND) reported that 19 People's Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) aircraft, including 12 Shenyang J-16 fighter jets, two Shaanxi Y-8 anti-submarine warfare (Y-8 ASW) planes, two Xian H-6 bombers, one Shaanxi Y-8 electronic warfare aircraft (Y-8 EW), and two Shenyang J-11 fighter jets, had penetrated into the southwestern corner of the ADIZ.
Then in a second incident, the MND at 7:15 p.m. announced that five additional Chinese military planes had entered the southwest corner of Taiwan's ADIZ. 
This time, two Shenyang J-16 fighter jets, one Shaanxi KJ-500 airborne early warning and control aircraft (KJ-500 AEW&C), and two Shenyang J-11 fighters were spotted.
In both instances, Taiwan's Air Force responded by scrambling fighter jets, broadcasting radio warnings, and tracking the aircraft with land-based anti-aircraft missiles.

... taiwannews.com.tw ... https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4295423 ...

  

[TT-1 Pinto]

Sedili eiettabili Martin-Baker per gli F-5 di Taiwan ...

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Taiwan will take delivery later this year of the first set of new ejection seats for its F-5 fighter jets, which will improve pilots' chances of survival if they have to eject from the aircraft, the country's Air Force said Monday.
The first shipment of Martin-Baker's Mk 16 zero/zero ejection capability seats, purchased from the United States, is expected to arrive before yearend, Air Force Chief of Staff Huang Chih-wei said in a legislative hearing.
He said the full order of 70 seats is due to be delivered by 2022, and installation will be completed on all 45 of the Air Force's F-5E and F-5F fighters by the end of next year.

... focustaiwan.tw ... https://focustaiwan.tw/politics/202109270013 ...

[TT-1 Pinto]

Le intrusioni cinesi nella ADIZ di Taiwan continuano senza sosta ... 

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Six Chinese military planes entered Taiwan’s air defense identification zone (ADIZ) on Monday (Sept. 27), marking the 24th intrusion this month.
Two People’s Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) Shenyang J-16 fighter jets, one Shaanxi Y-8 electronic warfare plane, one Shaanxi Y-8 anti-submarine warfare plane, and one KJ-500 airborne early warning and control aircraft flew into the southwest corner of Taiwan’s ADIZ, according to the Ministry of National Defense (MND). 
Meanwhile, one Shaanxi Y-9 electronic warfare plane flew into the southwest and southeast corners of the identification zone.
In response, Taiwan sent aircraft, issued radio warnings, and deployed air defense missile systems to monitor the PLAAF planes.

... taiwannews.com.tw ... https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4299434 ...

 

 

[TT-1 Pinto]

Zhuhai 2021 ... i droni ...

... aviation-report.com ... https://www.aviation-report.com/wz7-wz8-ch6-fh97-gj11-cina-svela-nuovi-droni-airshow-zhuhai-2021-tutti-molto-interessanti/ ...

... rid.it ... https://www.rid.it/shownews/4431 ...

[TT-1 Pinto]

Taiwan ... nuove intrusioni cinesi  nell'ADIZ dell'isola  ...

... taiwannews.com.tw ... https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4303281 ...

... taiwannews.com.tw ... https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4303498 ...

... taiwannews.com.tw ... https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4304066 ...

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