Disperso F 22 in Alaska

[VittorioVeneto]

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http://www.aircrashobserver.com/e107/news.php?extend.2326.2

 

 

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Era a 90 miglia a nord-est di Elmendorf, quando è scomparso dal radar, il tempo era buono.

 

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Washinghton Post

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[Hicks]

da RiaNovosti:

Rescuers find wreckage of missing U.S. F-22 fighter jet

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The crash site has been located at about 160 kilometers north of Anchorage. A rescue team is searching for a missing pilot, the airbase said in a statement.

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[Devildic]

Era a 90 miglia a nord-est di Elmendorf, quando è scomparso dal radar, il tempo era buono.

non è assurdo che un'aereo invisibile ai radar scompaia da questi?

[Hobo]

Buona questa, ma un aereo stealth lo è solo se vuole. In tempo di pace mica spengono tutta l'apparecchiatura per la navigazione.

[Devildic]

Buona questa, ma un aereo stealth lo è solo se vuole. In tempo di pace mica spengono tutta l'apparecchiatura per la navigazione.

Eh Eh... piccola provocazione, penso sia ovvio che il trasponder in tempo di pace rimanga accesso,

ma scusate i motivi dello schianto ?

[lion1994]

Ecco un altro articolo http://www.nonsoloaerei.net/2010/11/un-crash-per-lf22.html#more-4808

[topogun]

di quando sarebbe questa notizia ?

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di quando sarebbe questa notizia ?

 

Corinna Jones, a spokeswoman at Joint Base Elmendorf-Richardson, said the jet was on a training mission and lost contact with air traffic control at 7:40 p.m. Tuesday.

[lion1994]

La notizia è di oggi.

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Come detto in precedenza da AlfaAndOmega86, si usano le Lunberg Lens per rendere il Raptor visibili al radar.

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[Hobo]

_ It is possible such a system could have spared the most recent F-22 crash, when Lockheed test pilot David Cooley briefly lost situational awareness during a 9g manoeuvre. As he regained awareness, the F-22 was already diving through 14,000ft at M1.6. Cooley ejected a moment before the F-22 crashed, but the aerodynamic forces at M1.4 killed him. _

 

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/11/18/349873/usaf-spots-apparent-f-22-wreckage-pilot-still-missing.html

 

Dice che secondo loro se avesse avuto il GCAS su "auto" si sarebbe salvato.

 

 

L'aereo regge 9 G, l'uomo no.

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[AlfaAndOmega86]

E siamo già arrivati a 4 Raptor distrutti:

 

25 aprile 1992 il prototipo YF-22 (# 87-0701) si è schiantato durante atteraggio alla base aerea militare Edwards - pilota si è salvato.

 

04 dicembre 2004 F-22 (# 00-4014) si è schiantato durante il decollo dalla base di Nellis - pilota si è eiettato.

 

25 marzo 2009 F-22 (# 91-4008) si è schiantato nel deserto di Mohave (stato di California) vicino alla base Edwards - pilota David Cooley è morto.

 

 

Speriamo che il pilota sta bene.

[eagle-mav]

 

25 marzo 2009 F-22 (# 91-4008) si è schiantato nel deserto di Mohave (stato di California) vicino alla base Edwards - pilota David Cooley è morto.

 

 

si sa il motivo per cui si è schiantato?

[red giacomo]

mah,ogni tanto succede,certo che in confronto al crash del B 2 questo è un aereomodellino che si è rotto

[meason]

ma il pilota non dovrebbe essere in grado di comunicare con la base in caso di eiezione?

[VittorioVeneto]

si sa il motivo per cui si è schiantato?

E' scritto nel link di Hobo : il pilota ha perso conoscenza a causa di una manovra a 9 (!) g .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[eagle-mav]

E' scritto nel link di Hobo : il pilota ha perso conoscenza a causa di una manovra a 9 (!) g .

 

eh si l'ho letto dopo.. comunque grazie!

[topogun]

vabbè ora bisogna solo aspettare degli aggiornamenti sui fatti

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Si sta organizzando una ricerca al suolo, a partire dal punto dell'impatto, che a quanto pare è avvenuto in una zona impervia.

 

http://www.foxnews.c...-missing-pilot/

 

In questo articolo ci sono i particolari dell'incidente del 2009.

 

The 2009 mishap occurred on the third of three high-speed, high-g test runs to evaluate how opening the side weapons bay affects aircraft performance. The tests involved rolling inverted at Mach 1.6 and 25,000 feet, performing half of a split-S maneuver, then rolling upright and pulling out of the dive. Investigators believe that because of inadequate anti-g straining the pilot suffered “almost” g-induced loss of consciousness (A-LOC) and lost situational awareness, allowing the aircraft to enter a steep, high-speed dive from which recovery was not possible. Anti-g straining squeezes the heart and keeps blood flowing to the head. The pilot’s technique was evaluated as ineffective based on an audio recording. While he did not lose consciousness, his attention became focused on fighting off the symptoms of A-LOC.

 

Relatively incapacitated, the pilot did not begin the recovery immediately on completing the third test. The F-22 rapidly lost altitude as the dive angle steepened. At 14,800 feet, 83 degree nose-low and Mach 1.49, the pilot rolled the aircraft upright, but it was too late. Investigators say the escape system functioned as designed, but the ejection speed was beyond anything seen even in sled testing. The ACES II seat is designed for a maximum 600 knot ejection speed, but there is an 80 percent chance of major or fatal injury above 550 knots.

 

 

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[AlfaAndOmega86]

Il link al video delle dichiarazioni dello staf della base Elmendorf-Richardson:

 

VIDEO

 

 

 

F-22 pilot who has been missing for days after plane crash in Alaska identified as Capt. Jeff Haney, formerly of Jackson County

 

Published: Thursday, November 18, 2010, 1:19 PM Updated: Thursday, November 18, 2010, 1:59 PM

Danielle Salisbury | Jackson Citizen Patriot

 

The missing pilot of an Air Force F-22 fighter jet that crashed this week in a remote area of interior Alaska is Air Force Capt. Jeff A. Haney, whose parents live in Jackson County, the man Haney calls his stepdad confirmed today.

Mike Viane, who has lived with Haney's mother for more than 20 years, said Haney's mother, Linda, and father are now on a plane to Alaska, where they will join Haney's wife, Anna, and the couple's two young daughters.

The two left this morning and are to arrive before midnight tonight, he said from he and Linda Haney's home on Gillette Road west of Brooklyn.

Haney, 31, has been in the Air Force for about five years, Viane said. He graduated from Columbia Central High School in 1996 and went to flight school at Western Michigan University.

He did his first pilot training at the Jackson County Airport, Viane said.

Haney was one of the Air Force's best piolts, Viane said. "Top of the class, as they say."

He was supposed to eventually be an F-22 fighter jet instructor, Viane said.

Haney was stationed at Joint Base Elmendorf-Richardson in Anchorage. His wife and children lived off the base, Viane said.

Haney's Air Force F-22 Raptor went missing Tuesday night during a training mission from Joint Base Elmendorf-Richardson. The fighter jet’s wreckage was discovered Wednesday.

 

The jet was on a nighttime training mission and lost contact with air traffic control at 7:40 p.m. local time Tuesday, according to a statement by the base. The F-22 was flying with another plane, which also lost contact with it, according to the Air National Guard.

 

The missing F-22 is assigned to Elmendorf’s 3rd Wing.

 

“Our thoughts and prayers are with the family of this missing Airman, and we thank all Alaskans for their continued support and prayers during this trying time,” said Col. Jack McMullen, 3rd Wing commander, in a written statement. “Finding the missing pilot is our top priority.”

 

P.S. dalle dichiarazioni è chiaro che alla base non sanno se il pilota si è eiettato dal aereo, sono stati inviati dei mezzi terrestri al luogo che "presumono" sia quello dove è caduto aereo........

 

 

P.P.S. una settimana nera per le aeronautiche mondiali: si sono schintati F-22, CF-18 (F-18 canadese), MiG-31.

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[Hobo]

E' scritto nel link di Hobo : il pilota ha perso conoscenza a causa di una manovra a 9 (!) g .

 

No ragazzi quello che è morto per la perdita di conoscenza a causa delle 9 G a 1.6 mach era il collaudatore della Lockheed, Cooley, morto su un F-22 nel 2009.

E' per questo che si parlava di dotare gli aerei dell'auto.GCAS

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Le operazioni di soccorso, descritte nei particolari:

 

by Airman 1st Class Jack Sanders

JBER/PAO

 

11/19/2010 - JOINT BASE ELMENDORF-RICHARDSON, Alaska -- Operations efforts continue Thursday, find the missing F-22 Raptor pilot, Air Force Capt. Jeffrey Haney, assigned to the 525th Fighter Squadron.

 

The Alaska Air National Guard Rescue Coordination Center, the 3rd Wing and Joint Base Elmendorf-Richardson search and rescue teams continue to search the area, approximately 100 miles north of Anchorage, for the Air Force F-22 pilot.

 

"What we're looking for now is the pilot," said Air Force Lt. Col. Scott Jackson, Emergency Operations Center director. "We want to know, ... is the ejector seat in the crash or is he is out in the area somewhere. Once we determine that, then we'll begin securing the aircraft crash site and ensuring its safe."

 

There are many challenges that come with an operation on a scale and in a location like this, Colonel Jackson said.

 

"Obviously Alaska's size, terrain and weather conditions make an operation like this difficult, logistically," said Air Force Col. Jack McMullen, 3rd Wing commander. "The training area where the F-22 crashed is larger than the state of Vermont. It's remote, with no maintained roads in the winter and the terrain is very rugged. All these factors complicate the process even in good weather. When you factor in sub-zero temperatures and the potential for heavy snowfall, you see this is truly a massive undertaking."

 

Colonel Jackson said, because of hazardous material with the aircraft such as fuel, flares, and other dangerous items, there is a lot of work that goes into ensuring the safety of the site.

 

Operations involving the recovery are being coordinated through the EOC at JBER and the on scene commander.

 

"It's hard to put what we're doing into words," Colonel Jackson said. "What we're doing is like building al small city of support to supply the site. We're setting up an airport and hotel in the middle of nowhere essentially."

 

Colonel Jackson said, without communications nothing can be accomplished.

 

"Coordination between staff agencies, military services, state agencies and our higher headquarters is crucial," Colonel McMullen said. "We have to identify and prioritize the correct personnel, equipment and supplies for each step of the mission, and then get them where they need to be - when they need to be there. We can't do this alone; it requires coordination with the entire joint base community and the Alaska state authorities."

 

Inside the EOC at JBER, a representative of each specific agency is continuously sending and receiving information from their respected agency to continue the mission.

"Our biggest concern is fuel right now," said Tech. Sgt. Mack Estes, EOC transportation representative and 773rd Logistics Readiness Squadron member. "We're trying to get fuel to the main site to heat units and make sure that around 135 people stay alive."

 

Sergeant Estes said a convoy left today to deliver approximately the same amount of supplies four C-17 Globemaster loads would be able to carry to the supply site.

 

"Communication and coordination is critical, vital, and you have to be proactive with your support," Sergeant Estes said. "I've had to contact three people to get status updates in the past 30 minutes."

 

"The 3rd Wing and the 673d Air Base Wing have been tied at the hip from the beginning. Col. Evans (JBER commander) and my airmen are totally integrated in this effort," said Colonel McMullen. "The Alaska Air Guard's 176th Wing's 210th, 211th, 212th Rescue Squadrons along with ANG Rescue Coordination Center Airmen were instrumental in finding the crash site and getting our first Airmen there on the ground. U.S. Army Alaska is providing equipment and rotary wing lift to help establish our footprint at the site. Local police are helping and Alaska Department of Transportation personnel and equipment are plowing roads to help with access."

 

"I've seen magnificent teamwork; incredibly impressive," said Air Force Col. Rob Evans , JBER commander and the 673d Air Base Wing commander. "This is not just the Army supporting the Air Force; it is a totally joint operation.

 

"The multiple agencies and organizations involved have stepped up and are coming in to offer support as fast as we identify a need," he said. "The Alaska State Troopers have been keeping us updated with road and weather conditions and such. The Department of Transportation cleared nearly 75 miles of roadway for us. The Alaska National Guard has been involved from the beginning with their search and rescue assets, and they continue to provide invaluable support.

 

"U.S. Army Alaska is providing invaluable support in the form of equipment, personnel, transportation assets and expertise in dealing with continuing operations in an arctic environment," Colonel Evans said. Personnel from across JBER have been working tirelessly as well, making sure we have what we need, where we need it and when it's needed.

 

"It is truly inspirational to see so many moving parts working together for a common goal," the colonel said. "The logistics are astounding, but nobody has balked at any request for support. The integrated effort is a textbook example of a joint operation."

 

More information will be released as it becomes available.

 

Fonte

[VittorioVeneto]

No ragazzi quello che è morto per la perdita di conoscenza a causa delle 9 G a 1.6 mach era il collaudatore della Lockheed, Cooley, morto su un F-22 nel 2009.

E' per questo che si parlava di dotare gli aerei dell'auto.GCAS

 

Difatti Eagle ha espressamente chiesto la causa dell'incidente di Cooley , ci mancherebbe altro che già si conoscano le cause di quest'ultimo incidente quando ancora non è manco stato recuperato il velivolo ...

[Hobo]

Dicono che il pilota è morto.

 

http://www.jber.af.mil//news/story.asp?id=123231774