Eurofighter Typhoon - discussione ufficiale

[davide9610]

Sarebbe davvero così impossibile vedere il prototipo di un EFA con le stive interne in un futuro a medio lungo termine ?

[vorthex]

e dove le metti le stive?

[davide9610]

e dove le metti le stive?

Be sull'F-15 c'è stata questa possibilità.

[meason]

ma se guardassi il ventre del typhoon.

[windsaber]

Non trascurerei invece l'Hornet in versione Super Hornet NG e neanche il Viper nell'ultima versione V,nei mercati internazionali...

Il viperino concordo, ma l'hornet lo vedo comunque difficile da far passare come un intercettore ai livelli di EF, F-15 e via dicendo, per quanta avionica mirabolante vi integreranno. Poi non dico che qualcuno non se lo pigli, ma non come caccia.

In Australia l'han preso sì come gap filler, ma han voluto una versione pronta per l'upgrade ad aereo da contromisure ...

Modificato 5 Marzo 2012 da windsaber

[cama81]

a dire il vero in una delle versioni studiate dagli inglesi come alternativa (più per tirare il prezzo che per convinzione) erano previste le stive ; si doveva riprogettare le ali, spostare il carrello alla radice di queste e installare delle stive al posto dei carrelli sacrificando parte dei serbatoi , che però venivano compensati da altri contenuti nella deriva verticale e nelle ali maggiorate .La diminuzione della resistenza, dovuta all assenza di carichi esterni , aumentava autonomia e velocità

Modificato 5 Marzo 2012 da cama81

[David79]

a dire il vero in una delle versioni studiate dagli inglesi come alternativa (più per tirare il prezzo che per convinzione) erano previste le stive ; si doveva riprogettare le ali, spostare il carrello alla radice di queste e installare delle stive al posto dei carrelli sacrificando parte dei serbatoi , che però venivano compensati da altri contenuti nella deriva verticale e nelle ali maggiorate .La diminuzione della resistenza, dovuta all assenza di carichi esterni , aumentava autonomia e velocità

 

Se è per questo ho visto un immagine di un efa che aveva due bulbi sopra le ali in cui doveva essere presente il serbatoio per il carburante. Questo permetteva di rimpicciolire quello standard e fare spazio ad una stiva per due bombe da 500 libre... Non so che fattibilità abbia una soluzione del genere!

[madmike]

penso proprio che NON fosse un sistema come quello descritto.

[cama81]

probabilmente david ti confondi con i conformal tanks che sono dei serbatoi aerodinamicamente studiati per dare meno attrito possibile e ridurre i consumi .

[davide9610]

A che punto è l'aggiornamento degli EFA italiani?

Modificato 10 Aprile 2012 da davide9610

[wingrove]

Mi è capitata una cosa alquanto singolare mentre risalivo verso l'emilia in treno: credo di essermi imbattuto negli schemi della "suite elettronica" (diciamo "l'organigramma dei circuiti elettronici") del Typhoon.

Che si trattasse di un aereo mi è parso chiaro sbirciando in un quadratino dello schema che stava visionando il mio vicino in cui spiccava la scritta "landing gear", ma ho drizzato le orecchie quando mi è cascato l'occhio su "Avionic Bus", Weapons Bus", "Attack Bus" ecc ecc.

Poi ascoltando le chiacchiere del mio vicino ho appreso essere un "tizio" (non ho capito quale sia la sua qualifica/ruolo) arruolato nell'AMI e di stanza a Gioia del Colle.

Nella base ci dovrebbero essere solo EFA quindi di quello credo si tratti. Non nascondo che ho sperato (inverosimilmente) che fosse del materiale riguardante l'F-35

Vabbè...sogni ad occhi aperti

[cama81]

ma è possibile portarsi dietro materiale classificato in treno? , mia madre ,professoressa ,non poteva portarsi a casa il registro personale nè gli elaborati degli studenti

Modificato 22 Aprile 2012 da cama81

[wingrove]

Non ti so dire cama, ho riportato semplicemente ciò che ho visto

[zander]

Novità per Eurofighter in Giappone, EAU e Arabia Saudita?

 

Riporto un post del forum inglese www.keypublishing.com che riporta novità tratte dalla rivista Combat Aircraft Monthly, Vol 13, No. 6, June Edition.

 

Most recent(ish) news:

 

Eurofighter back on for Japan?

 

During his official visit to Tokya, UK Priminister David Cameron has renewed the UK's commitment to signing a Defence Co-operation Memorandum with Japan in the near future.

 

During a meeting with Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda, Mr Cameron agreed thet their respective defence ministers would sign the memorandum next time they meet. In parallel, officials will be discussing a range of defence programmes that present industrial opportunities for both the Uk and Japan.

 

According to the Daily Telegraph, a new package would include British designed Future Combat Ships and additional AW101 Merlin helicopters. If signed, the UK and Japan will collaborate in a number of areas, including mine warfare. In addition, the deal could see Tokya renege on its F-35 buy in favour of the Eurofighter Typhoon to fulfil its F-X fighter requirement. Despite having been rejected in favour of the F-35 in last year's F-X competition announcement, mant see the defence memorandum as a possible route back for the Typhoon. Japan has voiced serious concerns over the F-35 cost and potential delays, and an F-4EJ Kai Phantom replacement cannot be allowed to slip further.

 

Regarding the UAE:

 

Elsewhere, British Ministers say the Typhoon still has a chance of winning an order from the United Arab Emirates. The announcement came amid growing rumours that France was close to sealing a $10-billion deal for 60 Dassault Rafales. A previous agreement with Dassault collapsed in 2011 after UAE officials called the proposed terms 'uncompetitive and unworkable'. Gerald Howarth, UK minister for international security, said: 'There is real hope for substantial partnership should the UAE select the Typhoon... it is now a real possibility.'

 

Source: Combat Aircraft Monthly, Vol 13, No. 6, June Edition - News section, pages 30-31.

 

A few paragraphs from a piece reported by Jon Lake regarding Saudi Typhoons:

 

Having rejected the Litening pod, the RSAF reportedly considered Lockheed Martin's Sniper pod, before settling on the Thales Damocles pod - already being built in Saudi Arabia by AEC for the RSAF Tornado fleet. Integration work on the Damocles pod is believed to be about to begin at Warton.

 

Defence News reported that problems in Saudi Arabia with acquiring Paveway IVs were confirmed by Britian's defence attache in Washington, Maj Gen Francis Hedley Robertson 'Buster' Howes. The Paveway IV allows the pilot to select a desired angle of impact and direction of approach for the bomb, as well as a range of fusing options, all selectable by the pilot, in the air. This allows 'effect' to be very precisely tailored, and can allow the weapon to offer very low collateral damage. The American block on supplying Paveway IV to Saudi Arabia, argueably its most important ally in the Gulf region, must have come as agrave setback to the RSAF.

 

The RSAF is now understood to be looking at acquiring the Sagem AASM (Armement Air-Sol Modulaire, air-to-surface modular weapon) Hammer in place of the Paveway IV, and is looking to this on both the Tornado and the Typhoon.

 

The Saudi plans to use the Damocles and AASM on the Typhoon demonstrate a hitherto unexpected capability for integrating new weapons and systems on the aircraft flexibly and in a rapid timescale, and seem to show that hitherto slow pace of weapon integration has been imposed by funding constraints and not by any technical difficulty.

 

It is believed that BAE Systems is offering further air-to-ground weapons options and integrations to the RSAF (perhaps including an early integration of the Storm Shadow cruise missile), and in shorter timescales, supporting the RSAF's aspiration to keep the aircraft at the core of its future fleet plans. These could see the Kingdom ordering further Typhoons.

 

This could prove to be of pivotal importance to a number of potential Typhoon customers, including the United Arab Emirates , who could perhaps see the Saudi example as evidence that a similar stand-alone integration of their Black Shaheen stand-off missile on the Typhoon could be achieved before any NETMA clearance of a Taurus/Storm Shadow integration.

 

Source/author: Combat Aircraft Monthly, Vol 13, No. 6, June Edition, pages 26-27. Jon Lake. Much more is reported in the report.

[TT-1 Pinto]

In un articolo in cui si parla della prossima consegna di un esemplare del radar AESA "Raven" di Selex destinato allo sviluppo della versione evoluta del "Gripen", si fa anche il punto sull'andamento del programma relativo al "Captor-E" che dovrebbe/potrebbe equipaggiare le future versioni del "Typhoon" ....

 

Meanwhile, work on the Euroradar Captor-E AESA for the Eurofighter Typhoon is also proceeding, with EADS company Cassidian acting as design authority for the new array.

 

"We are cracking on, with hardware coming together," Mason says. The first test radar should be delivered early in the second quarter of 2013, and flown by Eurofighter partner company BAE Systems on a Typhoon before the end of that year.

 

The design retains an upgraded processor and receiver from the mechanically-scanned Captor-M, but adds a new array and an electrically-steered repositioner which will increase the sensor's field of regard by +/-100˚.

 

"The gain in performance is well worth any minor degradation in mean-time between failure," Mason says. The AESA will deliver enhanced detection performance in air-to-air and air-to-ground modes, plus a synthetic aperture radar mapping function.

 

Mason says discussions with the four core Eurofighter partner nations are continuing, and believes that "those that have money will join the [AESA] programme in the near future". A production contract could come by mid-2013, with deliveries to commence from around 2015.

 

The Captor-E will be available as an option for Tranche 3A aircraft to be built for Germany, Italy, Spain and the UK, and as a retrofit option for their Tranche 2 aircraft, along with those of Saudi Arabia. The enhancement is also being offered to other potential export customers for the Typhoon, including Malaysia and the United Arab Emirates.

Fonte .... .... http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/selex-nears-aesa-radar-delivery-for-gripen-372125/

[giammarco45]

Scusate ma gli EFA italiani quando inizieranno ad avere una capacita aria/suolo?

[MrJetstar]

Curiosità personale ma lo studio da parte dei tedeschi per dotare l'Eurofighter 2000 di LERX come procede? che fine ha fatto?

mi sembrava una buona cosa,certo cche strano che un componente del genere per l'Efa non sia stata prevista sin dall'inizio!

se andrà in porto chissà se tutti gli esemplari prodotti fin ora saranno aggiornati con la modifica in oggetto.

 

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Modificato 2 Giugno 2012 da MrJetstar

[Flaggy]

Mah, non se ne parla più..Direi che sia rimasta nel cassetto dei sogni, un po’come gli ugelli orientabili.

Si sa che delle modifiche aerodinamiche comportano una rivisitazione del software dei comandi di volo e nuove prove eseguite in varie condizioni (assetti e carichi esterni).

Tutte cose che costano, mentre tutto sommato l’aereo ha già un comportamento in volo più che buono.

In sostanza ci sono altre priorità...

Tempo fa lessi poi su RID che tali appendici non erano nemmeno compatibili con l’aerodinamica della versione biposto: installandole solo sui monoposto si sarebbe avuto il risultato di avere due velivoli con un comportamento in volo differente. E siccome il primo serve a imparare a volare col secondo non è che la cosa sia particolarmente entusiasmante...

[Andrea75]

New Radar, Missile, Upgrades In the Works

 

The four nations behind the Typhoon program have asked the Eurofighter consortium for firm proposals to develop an active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar to be ready for fielding on the combat jet by 2015.

...

Development of an AESA radar is deemed critical to Typhoon’s ability to compete against export rivals from the U.S., France and Sweden, all of whom either have the capability in service or are committed to gaining it. Officials are also looking at integrating a new air-to-air missile, among other improvements.

...

In another move to hike capability, the Typhoon partners have agreed to the first test-firing of the new MBDA Meteor beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile from a BAE Systems test aircraft in the final quarter of this year, said Bob Smith, BAE Systems combat air engineering director. No missile integration contract yet exists, and Smith said that will be part of the debate after delivery next year of the second of two upgrades to Typhoon being carried out under the Phase 1 Enhancement (P1E) program.

P1E is the biggest boost to the aircraft’s operational capability since it entered service. The first enhancement, known as P1Ea, is due to be delivered to NETMA this month and should be cleared for service by next spring.

[Andrea75]

Aggiornamenti in vista? Il Primo Ministro britannico a Farnborough 2012 Eurofighter’s Upgrades: Enough? In Time?

 

“Typhoon’s growth potential is huge and the four partner nations, Italy, Germany, Spain and the UK have agreed the next steps required to further exploit this. The integration of the METEOR missile, an Electronically Scanned Radar, enhancements of the Defensive Aids System, further development of the air-to-air and air-to-ground capabilities and integration of new weapons.”

 

MBDA completes Meteor test campaign

 

The AESA radar is becoming a competitive gap for Eurofighter. ...

Reports indicate that the agreement is just agreement over the RFP’s details, and that the funded AESA development effort won’t begin until 2013, with delivery only by 2015. That’s late, and the competitive hole gets deeper every day.

...

E-Scan/ CAPTOR-E radar will need to be offered with multiple air-to-air and air-to-ground modes, in order to be competitive in the global marketplace.

 

The question is when some of these upgrade “agreements” will become signed contracts, with actual dollars behind them. For the Eurofighter’s sake, it needs to be soon.

 

Possibilità di futuri contratti:

Gulf opportunities. Reports from Farnborough shed some light on potential Eurofighter Typhoon sales to Oman, Qatar, and the UAE.

 

Dassault has been sounding quite confident about the Rafale’s ultimate prospects in the UAE, but BAE Systems’ business development director Alan Garwood told Reuters that he believed the UAE’s interest is “real and genuine,” adding that they “could tell by the questions they were asking us that they were serious.” BAE is still working with the British government to put together a package for 60 planes. With the loss in India, and the near-certain demise of Tranche 3B, the UAE represents the fighter’s largest near-term opportunity. Oman is a higher-odds opportunity, and Garwood said that:

 

“We’ll start formal negotiations [for 12 jets] with Oman towards the end of August [2012] I would imagine. The two governments have targeted it for completion this year and we want it done this year as well…. I see no reason why we shouldn’t be able to do that.”

 

With respect to Qatar, he would say only that: “We are talking to the Qataris quite a bit.” That’s normal in a competition like this, which is reported to include Boeing’s F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, Dassault’s Rafale, Lockheed’s F-35A Lightning II, and Saab’s JAS-39E/F Gripen.

[TT-1 Pinto]

Emirati Arabi Uniti .... BAE Systems fiduciosa in una "inversione ad U" ....

 

BAE Systems Hopeful For UAE U-turn Over Eurofighter

 

By Reuters (via AW&ST) - July 11, 2012

 

 

Britain’s BAE Systems believes the United Arab Emirates (UAE) has “real and genuine” interest in buying 60 of its Eurofighter Typhoon jets instead of the French Dassault Rafale.

 

“I think the interest is real and genuine as does the British government and we are working hard to put a package together for 60 planes for the UAE,” BAE Systems’ business development director Alan Garwood told Reuters at the Farnborough Airshow on Tuesday.

 

“We could tell by the questions they (the UAE government) were asking us that they were serious.”

 

The UAE was expected to finalise a $10 billion agreement with Dassault last year but the talks faltered after the UAE said the terms were uncompetitive and unworkable.

 

Garwood said the British government’s improved relationship with Abu Dhabi, the failure of talks with Dassault and recent new business wins for BAE in the Gulf state make it confident it can clinch the deal.

 

Stealing back the UAE deal would be a coup for BAE’s Eurofighter consortium which earlier this year lost out on a $20 billion deal to sell 126 fighters to India which chose the Dassault Rafale as preferred bidder.

 

The Eurofighter consortium is made up of BAE, Italy’s Alenia and European aerospace and defence group EADS.

 

Garwood said BAE would also look to tie up a deal to sell 12 Typhoon jets to Oman by the end of the year.

 

“We’ll start formal negotiations with Oman towards the end of August I would imagine. The two governments have targeted it for completion this year and we want it done this year as well,” he said.

 

“I see no reason why we shouldn’t be able to do that.”

 

Analysts estimate the sale, which Reuters last week reported was close, could be worth up to $2 billion.

 

Malaysia is considering buying up to 36 Typhoon jets as well, said Garwood.

 

The British weapons maker is also battling it out with U.S. rival Lockheed Martin for a $10 billion contract to provide a fleet of new training jets to the U.S. air force.

 

If successful, BAE, which is working on its bid with American firms Northrop Grumman and L-3, could provide the United States with 350 of its Hawk training jets. A decision over the T-X programme, as it is known, is expected by 2014.

 

“The funding is there for this apparently ... We’re in for it and we are confident that the system can yield very high pilot output for the United States,” said Garwood.

 

BAE, battling shrinking European and American defence budgets, has been forced to cut thousands of jobs at home and abroad due to public spending cuts in recent months.

 

[w7C]

Ma non erano stati già ordinati 72 Typhoon dagli Emirati Arabi Uniti? O mi sbaglio?

[Brando]

Ti sbagli di poco, i 72 EFA sono stati ordinati e penso oramai consegnati dalla vicina Arabia Saudita.

[TT-1 Pinto]

Ti sbagli di poco, i 72 EFA sono stati ordinati e penso oramai consegnati dalla vicina Arabia Saudita.

In verità .... ne sono stati per ora consegnati soltanto 24 esemplari .... gli altri 48 seguiranno ....

 

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/saudi-arabia-signs-uk-deal-for-72-eurofighter-typhoons-216840/

 

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/saudi-arabias-eurofighter-typhoon-deal-gets-final-confirmation-220135/

 

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/bae-confident-of-closing-improved-typhoon-deal-with-saudi-arabia-366555/

 

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/saudi-arabian-typhoons-to-get-capability-boost-371967/

[mo-mo]

Ti sbagli di poco, i 72 EFA sono stati ordinati e penso oramai consegnati dalla vicina Arabia Saudita.

 

 

Beh, siamo precisi. Chi ha voglia può guardare in questo forum le informazioni di un po' di mesi fa leggerà qualcosa di diverso. L' Arabia saudita, più che ordinato, ha pagato in petrodollari almeno un certo numero di EFA 2000 destinati al Regno Unito e quindi, burocraticamente almeno, aerei di "seconda mano". Si era parlato poi anche degli speciali rapporti fra UK e il regno saudita con migliaia di "consiglieri" e militari sul posto. Anche il recente ordine di addestratori (Hawk e PC-21) risente molto del ruolo importante dell'industria (BAe) e delle Forze armate britanniche.