Aeronautica Militare Indiana

[Ospite intruder]

Non ho trovato nulla sull'argomento, quindi apro una discussione io. E cominciamo da una notizia che ho trovato su RID del mese, secondo la quale Honeywell ha annunciato di voler competere per la rimotorizzazione deic Jaguar locali. Altra notizia, l'India ha rinunciato a installare il tubogetto Kaveri, sviluppato localmente, sul Tejas, per problemi di potenza.

[Blue Sky]

E' Bene iniziare segnalando il sito ufficiale dell'Indian Air Force!

 

 

"Indian Air Force"

[pandur]

questa è una discussione interessante... se ne parla e se ne sa poco ma l'areonautica indiana sta diventando una delle più importanti del mondo. ho letto in molte riviste che nellle esercitazioni e nelle manifestazioni internazionali stupisca tutti (USAFcompresa) per le capacità, tattiche e addestramento dei piloti e dei suoi gioiellini russi quali il su-30, l'il-78, ecc. d'altra parte pare che il suo piano di avere una portaerei con mig-29 navalizzati abbia guai a non finire, e inoltre non progettano ancora i propri aerei (ma verranno) a parte quel bidone del Light Combat Aircraft...

a proposito qualcuno sa che fine ha fatto?

[Ospite intruder]

Il Tejas vola, ne hanno costruito mi pare una mezza dozzina non so se prototipi o pre-serie, ma anche lui ha diverse difficoltà, dai motori all'avionica.

 

 

 

 

 

India's premier defence agency DRDO is carrying out a two-week second phase weapon testing trials of the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) at an Air Force base in the north-western sector.

 

"The focus of the current phase of testing is safe separation and accuracy of weapon delivery. The results from the tests would validate aerodynamic interference data as well as complex weapon release algorithms in different modes of release," DRDO officials said.

 

A composite test team comprising specialists from Aeronautical Development Agency, IAF, HAL and other aerospace agencies is based at the trial location to evaluate the performance of the indigenous combat aircraft. DRDO has directly linked the trial location with the base telemetry station at Bangalore via enabling designers and other specialists to monitor the activities in real time. ISRO's GPS Radiosonde is used for gathering accurate upper air data at the trial location.

 

DRDO is expected to hand over the first squadron of the LCA in December 2010 to the IAF in the initial operational clearance (IOC) configuration. A total of seven LCA squadrons will be inducted in the IAF. The first two squadrons of the IAF will be in the IOC configuration whereas the rest five will be the LCA Mark II, which will be an upgraded version of the aircraft.

 

 

Da: http://www.india-defence.com/reports-4262

Modificato 30 Marzo 2009 da intruder

[Leviathan]

Gli indiani prendono il meglio dell'aviazione russa (eccetto la bara volante Mig-29) e ci mettono la loro avionica e tecnologia risultando e i loro caccia modificati sono meglio dell'originalità.

Resta sempre un paese del terzo mondo comunque...

[vorthex]

a dire il vero ci mettono avionica israeliana.

[Ospite intruder]

E comunque l'affidabilità è molto bassa, si legge di continui incidenti, di macchine che non volano per problemi non meglio specificati, eccetera,

[Blue Sky]

La loro pattuglia acrobatica sembra un falso della nostra P.A.N.!

 

Modificato 30 Marzo 2009 da Blue Sky

[skettles]

dovrebbero fare un rosso un po più scolorito :rotfl:

[pandur]

davvero ...

ma che aerei usano? dalla foto non saprei proprio...

[super64des]

davvero ...

ma che aerei usano? dalla foto non saprei proprio...

Credo siano questi

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HJT-36

che a sua volta hanno rimpiazzato quest'altri

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HJT-16_Kiran

Ricordavo che erano prodotti della Hindustan ma non ricordavo la sigla esatta.

[PANTERA NERA]

E' Bene iniziare segnalando il sito ufficiale dell'Indian Air Force!

 

 

"Indian Air Force"

Rgazzi non so perchè ma il sito della aeronautica indiana, compreso il sottofondo musicale, mi mette alquanta tristezza... :pianto:

[pandur]

no no invece è carino... è molto retrò

riguardo allo sviluppo del fratello maggiore del tejas se ne è fatto qualcosa? a una prima occhiata non ho trovato niente...

[Dominus]

Fratello maggiore del tejas? Ma se manco il Tejas riescono a sviluppare.

[Mone]

Sulla wiki inglese ho trovato questo:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Air_Force

[pandur]

interessante... ho scoperto che il Marut degli anni '60 era stato ideato da kurt tank... era uno che non mollava

ma eraq un buon aereo? è stato usato in combattimento? chi sa qualcosa sulla sua carriera operativa?

Modificato 1 Aprile 2009 da pandur

[Ospite iscandar]

interessante... ho scoperto che il Marut degli anni '60 era stato ideato da kurt tank... era uno che non mollava

ma eraq un buon aereo? è stato usato in combattimento? chi sa qualcosa sulla sua carriera operativa?

 

questo è un link su F.A.S.

 

[Ospite intruder]

Riassunto e aggiornamenti sull'MMRCA

[delta_raptor]

ma si conosce la statistica degli scontri con i pakistani? su wiki ho letto che due Mig-21 indiani nel 1999 hanno abbattuto un Br 1150 che aveva sconfinato, ma di veri e propri combattimenti aerei non ho trovato tracce abbastanza affidabili.

[CHAFFEE79]

se non sbaglio con rid di un po di tempo fa c'era un articolo sulla guerra tra india e pakistan

[Ospite intruder]

se non sbaglio con rid di un po di tempo fa c'era un articolo sulla guerra tra india e pakistan

 

Quella del 65.

[Ospite intruder]

India’s Aerial Tanker Competition

 

The IAF already operates Russian IL-76 transports, and 6 related IL-78MK “Midas” aerial tankers. As the Indian Air Force inducts high-value aircraft grows, however, the need for aerial refueling tankers grows along with them.

 

 

 

In February 2006, “India’s Air Force Looks to Enhance Its Reach With Upgrades & Force Multipliers” discussed the IAF’s interest in buying modern aerial tankers, AWACS radar planes, maritime patrol aircraft, and other long-range, high-value aircraft. India is receiving IL-76TD/A-50i Phalcon AWACS aircraft from Israel, and has ordered Lockheed Martin’s MC-130J-30 Hercules for its special forces and Boeing’s 737-derived P-8i Poseidon for maritime patrol. A project is underway to develop a mid-size AWACS aircraft, and a competition will select a similar-sized maritime patrol plane to complement the new P-8is.

 

India plans to buy another 6 aerial tankers. More IL-78s would appear to be the obvious choice – but events don’t appear to be turning out that way…

 

Despite the IL-76 family’s strong position within the IAF, and an attractive price tag of well under $100 million for the base aircraft, reports from India indicate that Russia’s position as India’s top arms exporter may be about to take another blow.

 

Airbus’ A330 Multi-Role Tanker/Transport (MRTT), which won the initial KC-X tanker competition in the USA, may be about to win a EUR 1 billion order for 6 Indian aerial tankers. If so, India’s aerial tanker fleet would double to a mixed group of 12, while the A330 MRTT’s confirmed customer base would include Australia, Britain, India, Saudi Arabia, and the UAE.

 

The A330’s biggest drawback is its lack of commonality with the IAF’s existing fleet, which creates additional burdens for maintenance and spares. On the other hand, that is not an insuperable barrier. Air India already operates the A330, and other buyers have leveraged their national airlines’ experience. Australia, for example, hired Quantas as its “KC-30B” maintenance provider

 

 

Contracts and Key Events

 

May 25/09: The Hindustan Times adds more fuel to the fire:

 

“In an exclusive interview to HT, IAF chief Air Chief Marshal Fali Homi Major said, “We have finished all evaluations and selected the A330 MRTT. The deal will come up for final approval by the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) very soon. The Russian platform did not meet certain requirements.”

 

The report places the deal’s value at 48,000 crore, which would be INR 480 billion or $10.1 billion. It’s very likely that this is a typographical error. The actual value for a purchase of this type should be closer to $1 billion, a figure that was also used in the article.

 

Jan 4/09: India Defence reports that the IL-78 may be set to lose the IAF’s follow-on order. That order’s value is reported as EUR 1 billion, or $1.3 billion.

 

 

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/Indias...petition-05391/

 

 

 

 

 

Indian AWACS Moving Forward on 2 Fronts

 

In February 2006, “India’s Air Force Looks to Enhance Its Reach With Upgrades & Force Multipliers” discussed India’s growing shift toward aircraft that would give it the ability to patrol and act at extended ranges. In January 2004, India and Israel signed a $1.1 billion contract for 3 Phalcon airborne warning and control system (AWACS) aircraft, as part of a $1.5 billion tripartite agreement with Russia.

 

Now reports are surfacing that India will implement its AWACS capabilities on 2 platforms, in order to provide broader coverage. With the arrival of its first IL-76 Phalcon in India, the country joins the global ranks of AWACS operators…

 

 

 

 

India’s AWACS: Platforms & Programs

 

Israel Aerospace Industries’ Phalcon system is built around an ELTA EL/M-2075 AESA L-band radar, then adds electronic and communications intelligence gathering (ELINT and COMINT) capabilities. The system can also receive transmissions from other air and ground stations, and uses sensor fusion to provide a complete picture of the battlespace out to several hundred kilometers. IAI had already delivered an earlier-model 707-based “Condor” system to Chile, and created a Phalcon variant for Israel and Singapore that fits into a Gulfstream 550 business jet.

 

India already operates the IL-76 as its strategic transport aircraft and aerial refueling tanker (IL-78), however, and made its decision accordingly. Instead of the front and side structural modifications made to Chile’s Condor and the CAEW G550 Gulfstream jets, India’s Phalcon will use a conventional AWACS radome mounted on top. Because the Elta radar scans in 360 degrees automatically, however, the radome will be fixed rather than rotating.

 

The Prem PS-90 engines in the upgraded IL-76TD aircraft will make operation in India’s hot climates easier, and the system will reportedly make heavy use of Russian avionics, including a partial glass cockpit.

 

 

 

India was supposed to receive the first A-50I/IL-76TD Phalcon in December 2007, but Uzbekistan’s Tashkent Aircraft Production Organization (TAPO) was late customizing the airframes. India’s first A-50I Phalcon underwent maiden flight tests in November 2007, and again in January and February 2008. Flight certification was to begin in May 2008, with first delivery set for September 2008; but first delivery ended up taking place in Q2 2009. All 3 aircraft have been promised by the end 2010, but it’s possible that final delivery might not occur until 2011.

 

Final delivery overall will be extended even longer. In April 2008, India reportedly picked up the option for 3 more IL-76 Phalcon AWACS aircraft, in a deal worth up to $2 billion. Jane’s Defence Weekly issued a concurring report later in the week, but placed the deal’s value at $1 billion. Assuming that the equipment sets are the same and inflation is 3% per year, note that repeating 2004’s $1.5 billion deal works out to about $1.7 billion by 2008. Delivery of these 3 additional planes would be expected to take place in 2011-12.

 

 

The IL-76 Phalcons are part of an emerging architecture for India’s air force, which include the Operational Data Link (ODL), the Integrated Air Command and Control System (IACCS), and Air Force Net (AFNET).

 

According to a report carried in The Hindu, however, this may not be the final word on India’s AWACs fleet.

 

Embraer EMB145 Erieye.

 

India has a great deal of territory to cover, and even 6 AEW&C aircraft can easily mean just 4 operational aircraft at any given time. The Indian Air Force appears to be taking the “brittle swords lesson” to heart, and is looking for another 3 mid-size surveillance aircraft to act as counterparts to the larger Ilyushin Phalcons.

 

While a G550 Phalcon would provide systems commonality, India’s platform of choice for this project is Embraer’s ERJ 145 business/ regional jet. The Hindu reported a timeline that had aircraft delivery beginning in 2011, with full operational capability by 2013. The 3 aircraft together are expected to cost around R 1,800 crore (about $385 million) total when fully equipped.

 

Subsequent reports indicate a July 2008 contract with Embraer for the aircraft. Under the agreement, Brazil’s Embraer will act as the overall system integrator, supplying the jets, mounting the radar and electronics on or into the EMB-145 fuselage, and ensuring that the altered jets retain acceptable flight performance, and handling flight recertification.

 

The militarized ERJ 145 comes in several versions, including maritime surveillance and electronic intelligence versions. The most common variant, currently operated by Brazil and Greece, is the EMB 145 Erieye airborne early warning and control (AEW&C) aircraft1. It uses the same Saab Erieye AESA radar that will be mounted on Pakistan’s new Saab 2000 turboprop AEW&C fleet. There are some blind spots with its “dorsal blade” configuration, most notably to the front, but flight patterns can be planned around those gaps to ensure good coverage of the area in question.

 

The Hindu report did not specify the radar involved, except to say that it is “from the [indian] Electronics and Radar Development Establishment”. A September 2005 ACIG report claimed that the radar would be similar to Saab’s Erieye, and the accompanying illustration from India’s DRDO Centre for Airborne Systems (CABS) certainly looks very similar.

 

This systems work with DRDO will be the real key to the Embraer AEW&C project’s success or failure.

 

India’s state-owned DRDO research and development agency will be heavily involved in a number of areas. According to The Hindu, the Bangalore-based Centre for Airborne Systems (CABS) is responsible for overall integration of the electronic systems, mission computer, display and data handling. CABS is reportedly working with the private sector firm Astra Microwave Products of Hyderabad to develop transmit-receive multimodules [JPG format] for the radar; doing so at a reasonable cost is always a challenge for AESA radars, however, and India’s experience with the type is limited. DRDO’s Defence Avionics Research Establishment will be involved with the jet’s self-protection systems, electronic warfare suites and communication support systems; their Defence Electronics Application Laboratory will be involved with the primary sensors, communication systems and data link; and DRDO’s Defence Electronics Research Laboratory will be involved with “counter-support measures.”

 

DRDO’s radar record is cause for some concern – the multimode radar being developed for the Tejas lightweight fighter isn’t performing properly yet, for instance, and foreign radars like the Elta M-2032 in India’s Sea Harriers are now being used as substitutes in order to keep the already-late program on track. DRDO was also responsible for “Project Guardian/Airawat,” which suffered a disastrous project failure in 1999 when the HS-748 turboprop AWACS testbed aircraft crashed, killing several engineers and scientists who were critical to the project. The ERJ aircraft are the proposed successors to that effort.

 

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/Indian...2-Fronts-04855/

Modificato 27 Maggio 2009 da intruder

[Seydlitz]

ma si conosce la statistica degli scontri con i pakistani? su wiki ho letto che due Mig-21 indiani nel 1999 hanno abbattuto un Br 1150 che aveva sconfinato, ma di veri e propri combattimenti aerei non ho trovato tracce abbastanza affidabili.

da qualche parte ho un articolo abbastanza esaustivo sul punto, ci furono numerosi duelli nel corso delle diverse guerre indopakistane, inclusi diversi duelli bisonici tra mig 21 ed F 104, nonché massiccio uso di sidewinder da parte pakistana (installati sui sabre), l'uso spericolato da parte degli indiani dei piccolissimi Gnat, etc...

[Ospite intruder]

da qualche parte ho un articolo abbastanza esaustivo sul punto, ci furono numerosi duelli nel corso delle diverse guerre indopakistane, inclusi diversi duelli bisonici tra mig 21 ed F 104, nonché massiccio uso di sidewinder da parte pakistana (installati sui sabre), l'uso spericolato da parte degli indiani dei piccolissimi Gnat, etc...

 

C'è un ottimo articolo su un vecchio RID, se trovo dove mia moglie ha deportato la rivista in questione, vi posto qualche dato.

[rodionregna]

scusate mi potreste dire ceh aereo e nella terza foto di Guest_intruder_* quel aereo che ha un mso sotrano che alla fine ha una specie di palla_?