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Dal Rapporto della Marina 2007, in HD!!!
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Il sommergibile “Salvatore Todaro”, dopo una navigazione in immersione di quindici giorni, è giunto nella capitale delle isole Bermuda; la sosta precedente era stata a Ponta Delgana, nelle isole Azzorre.
La prossima tappa della campagna in Oceano Atlantico del nostro battello è Mayport, in Florida.
NdEnrr: Mayport = base US Navy = inizio "caccia"
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Interessante.
Fanno l'ingresso nel documento le LHD, le JSS/LSS/AORH, niente sulla sostituzione dei Gaeta come prevedibile e RIDUZIONE a 40 dei NFH e a 20 gli F-35B, quest'ultima meno problematica dalla certa acquisizione dei B da parte di AM.
Finalmente un documento corredato di OTTIME immagini
Entro il 2010 arrivano il 21° e 22° EH-101, con ancora 2 opzioni da esercitare
Gli SH-3D sono 12 e verranno ritirati man mano che tireranno l'ultimo sospiro
Gli AB-212 residui sono 33 (alla faccia di chi il mese scorso diceva che c'erano tutti come gli SH-3d
)Gli Atlantic sono 11 ma in continuo calo, si esauriranno entro il 2012 circa (credo che questo sia il maggior problema vista la mancanza di programma sostitutivo, escludendo i tagli di bilancio
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Per brutta è brutta, mai bisogna vedere se a livello di sistemi è valida o meno
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E' vecchia di almeno 6 mesi, comunque non credo siano andati molto avanti
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mi pare che se ne gia parlato, comunque quando il garibaldi andra in pensione per la MM giusto la gilette o la bic la possono comprare.
Come spero vivamente, DEVE diventare un museo e credo che sarebbe un'ottima attrattiva turistica, specie se all'interno di musei storici navali... Non so perchè ma ho in mente un luogo...
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Pagando lo sviluppo, il 5%, come partner Tier2 dell'intero programma si ha qualche "privilegio" che conviene sfruttare.
Tieni presente che il pilota collaudatore inglese che ha portato in volo per primo l'F-35B si era già fatto un volo sull'A.
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Una soluzione potrebbe esser il modello ibrido/adattabile: PA progettata per cat e cavi ma usata come STOVL per contenere i costi: una nave di questo tipo permetterebbe la coesistenza dello sky jump a prua e di una cat sul ponte angolato da installare in un secondo momento.
Infatte le CVF, o Delta design che dir si voglia, hanno la predisposizione per catapulte, cavi, etc, etc ma non sono installate per 2 motivi, in linea di max
- la RAF non mette i bastoni fra le ruote e le affossa, si usano gli F-35B e ci sono molti meno problemi di addestramento
- E-2x non li comprano perchè non hanno soldi
tutti i problemi suddetti si possono riflettere sulla difesa italiana con un fattore 75
:asd:ribandendo per la 382esima volta, il Cavour a noi basta e avanza, basta aggiustare un pò l'hangar e aumentare le riserve di JP5 e i magazzini. Poi è ovvio che anch'io vorrei una CVF ma farla scortare dai Fulgosi perchè siamo senza fregate non ha senso.
...o abbassando il numero di aerei di AM per sostenere la crescita dell'aviazione imbarcata... :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Attento che sei diventato uno dei prossimi bersagli "addestrativi" del RIAM
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Il GG gli aerei c'è li ha, all'inizio era solo un CGH/LPH
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con il ricavato non ci compri nulla
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Finalmente con i ricavi di quello che venderà la Difesa, potrà farsene quello che vuole, ERA ORA
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da BBC
£3.2bn giant carrier deals signed - link con video
The Ministry of Defence has signed contracts worth £3.2bn to build the UK's biggest ever aircraft carriers.
The 280-metre-long HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Prince of Wales will be capable of carrying up to 40 planes.
The contracts will create or secure 3,000 jobs at Govan, in Glasgow, 1,600 at Rosyth, in Fife, 1,200 in Portsmouth and 400 in Barrow in Furness.
The defence secretary said the vessels were needed to launch military strikes and humanitarian operations.
HMS Queen Elizabeth will come into service in 2014 and HMS Prince of Wales in 2016.
Each ship will be a similar size to the ocean liner, the QE2, with a flight deck the size of three football pitches.
This will make them more than three times the size of the existing Invincible-class carriers.
Each 65,000-tonne vessel will be crewed by 1,450 sailors and airmen.
The building of the two aircraft carriers is expected to create or secure a total of 10,000 jobs across the UK.
Peace-keeping role
Defence Secretary Des Browne said the signing of the contracts, which took place on board HMS Ark Royal in Portsmouth, marked a "historic day for everyone in defence".
"The two aircraft carriers will provide our forces with the world-class capabilities they will need over the coming decades," he said.
HMS Elizabeth and HMS Prince of Wales
"They will support peace-keeping and conflict prevention, as well as our strategic operational priorities."
Speaking in Govan, Mr Browne said the carriers would provide "very large floating bases for the Navy and the RAF", entirely under "sovereign control".
"They will allow us to project force," he said. "But they will also allow us to make a contribution to the protection of the sea lanes of the world, because as a trading nation we rely on those being secure."
Although both will eventually carry the new Joint Strike Fighter aircraft, those will not be ready on time for when the ships enter service.
This means that at first, the ships will carry the ageing Harrier aircraft instead.
'Bigger punch'
The First Sea Lord, Adm Sir Jonathon Band, told the BBC: "The reason for the size is that we've determined that we need to be able to put a weight of airpower on them from strike aeroplanes, and that has therefore determined their tonnage and their size.
"Basically, they'll just be able to pack a bigger punch, whether it be on a humanitarian operation or whether it be a full-blown strike operation."
Construction of the ships' hulls will be split between Govan, Portsmouth and Barrow in Furness. Construction of the bow sections and the final assembly of all the parts will take place in Rosyth.
A further 145 jobs will be needed at BAE Systems at Frimley, Surrey and 250 at Thales UK in Bristol and Crawley to provide design, engineering and missions systems for the vessels.
Many more jobs will be created or secured elsewhere in related industries, and contracts have already been awarded to supply diesel generators, electronics and the steel for the ships.
BBC defence correspondent Caroline Wyatt said the Navy sees the new carriers as its future flagships to replace Ark Royal and Illustrious, transforming Britain's ability to operate in hostile waters.
Our correspondent added that the project is going ahead despite serious misgivings among some in the military about the huge financial burden they will place on a defence budget already under severe pressure.
The number of Type 45 destroyers promised has shrunk from eight to six, with some worried the Navy will struggle to find enough frigates, destroyers and submarines to protect the carriers.
The Army and RAF are also expecting cuts to their own plans for vital new equipment.
Janet Lowrie's son is currently serving in Iraq, but she is part of an organisation called Military Families Against The War. She told the BBC the money would be better spent on frontline equipment.
"[The] normal response we get from our government is, 'Our vehicles are good, our weapons are good and our body kit is good.' I think losing so many brave troops proves that our equipment isn't good.
"Our vehicles are not worthy, they break down all the time, so replace them - save lives."
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Da MoD
The MOD today signed contracts with industry to build the two future aircraft carriers. The contracts, worth in the region of £3 billion, were signed with the newly-formed UK maritime Joint Venture, BVT Surface Fleet, and the Aircraft Carrier Alliance onboard HMS Ark Royal, one of the Royal Navy’s existing aircraft carriers and currently the Fleet Flagship.
Contracts authorised today encompass work worth:
* £1,325M for the construction of giant sections of both ships by BVT Surface Fleet at Govan on the Clyde and Portsmouth;
* £300M for the construction of giant sections of the ships at the BAE Systems yard at Barrow-in-Furness;
* £675M for the bow section and final assembly and completion of the ships by Babcock Marine, with assembly taking place at Rosyth;
* £425M for design and engineering for Thales UK; and
* £275M for design and supply of Mission Systems for BAE Systems Integrated Systems Technologies (Insyte).
Defence Secretary, Des Browne, said:
“This is a historic day for everyone in defence. The two aircraft carriers will provide our forces with the world-class capabilities they will need over the coming decades. They will support peace-keeping and conflict prevention, as well as our strategic operational priorities.
“Today’s contract signing seals the future for thousands of jobs, and ensures that we will have a Royal Navy fit for the 21st century.”
Baroness Taylor, Minister for Defence Equipment and Support, said:
“This is truly a national project, involving companies from the Clyde to the Solent. Construction work will create or sustain around 10,000 UK jobs at the peak of production.
I am delighted that we have signed the contracts for manufacture today and I look forward to first cutting of steel for this exciting project later this year.”
The future aircraft carriers, to be named HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Prince Of Wales, will be the biggest and most powerful surface warships ever constructed in the UK. They will provide our forces with world-class capabilities, supporting peace-keeping, conflict prevention and our strategic operational priorities. They will be a highly versatile and potent joint defence asset, able to meet the widest range of tasks.
First Sea Lord, Admiral Sir Jonathon Band, said:
“I am delighted with today’s news that the contract for the two new aircraft carriers, to be named HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Prince Of Wales, has been agreed and signed. These ships, with their embarked aircraft, will provide the UK with a potent and powerful aircraft carrier force that will deliver air power in support of the full range of future operations at sea, in the air and on land.”
Chief of the Air Staff, Air Chief Marshal Sir Glenn Torpy, said:
“Today’s contract signature marks an important step forward in the Carrier Strike programme. These ships will provide additional options for projecting offensive air power at a time and place of our choosing, and I very much look forward to the arrival of both the carriers and the extremely capable Joint Combat Aircraft on the frontline”.
Alan Johnston, CEO of BVT Surface Fleet, said:
“This is an important announcement for BVT and for the UK maritime industry at large, guaranteeing work for years to come across the country.
“We are looking forward to delivering these very important ships to the Fleet in the next decade and intend to begin construction work later this year.”
Once the carriers enter service in 2014 and 2016 respectively, they are expected to remain in the fleet for at least thirty years
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Typhoons Declared Ready for Ground Attack Role
(Source: UK Ministry of Defence; issued July 1, 2008)
The Royal Air Force's Typhoon aircraft marked another milestone in its capability today, Tuesday 1 July 2008, as it was declared operational in the air-to-ground role, becoming the Service's most advanced multi-role aircraft.
Last year Typhoons began contributing to the air defence of the UK by complementing the Tornado F3 Force at RAF Coningsby in Lincolnshire - one of two UK Quick Reaction Alert (QRA) locations. Earlier this year Typhoon fully took over the role of southern QRA at Coningsby and the F3 QRA force now operates from RAF Leuchars.
Following an exercise in the US, where XI Sqn Typhoons acquitted themselves well in a major Air-Land Forces exercise, the Typhoon is now officially declared multi-role and has considerably increased the RAF's war-fighting capability.
Said Station Commander of RAF Coningsby, Gp Capt Stu Atha:
"Today is another defining day for Typhoon, where potential has been turned into reality. It is a step increase in capability. What we have in Typhoon is a world-beating aircraft. It is agile, adaptable and capable, the three core elements of today's RAF."
The multi-role capability means that RAF Typhoons can now carry out precision ground ttack or air fefence tasks as required before take-off, but before long will become "swing-role", which means they will be able to alternate between roles within the same mission once airborne.
The declaration of the capability, officially known as the Multi-Role Operational Employment Date (OED), was announced by Commander-in-Chief RAF Air Command, Air Chief Marshal Sir Clive Loader, who said:
"Typhoon is the most operationally flexible and effective aircraft the RAF has ever operated. In addition to Typhoon's current capability in the Air Defence role, it will allow us the ability to deliver a wide range of precision and non-precision weapons in the Ground Attack role wherever and whenever needed. It is most relevant to the threats we face today.
"Typhoon can now perform both roles and offers unparalleled combat persistence. During the recent trials it achieved virtually 100 percent serviceability. With a service life of many decades, Typhoon's time to deploy as a multi-role combat aircraft is still to come but the important fact is that this new capability is an extra club in the RAF's golf bag."
The OED of July 1 2008 was set many years ago and meeting the date on time is as a result of effective teamwork between the MOD, BAe Systems and the RAF, said Gp Capt Atha. The MOD team was led by Gp Capt Mike Smith of the Defence Equipment and Support's Typhoon Integrated Project Team, based at Abbey Wood near Bristol:
"Typhoon still has much more to contribute," he explained. "In the future its capacity to deliver will improve as software improves and even better weaponry comes into service. You could say that today marks the end of just the beginning of Typhoon."
To mark the occasion today a Typhoon equipped with its high-tech Litening III laser-designator pod flew over RAF Coningsby and demonstrated its ground-attack capability after having its theoretical fire directed precisely onto a target by Forward Air Controllers on the ground. Media attending then realised the target was their own tent when they saw themselves on the FAC's monitor.
A data link from the Litening pod enabled the troops exercising a combat role to receive on a laptop the air "picture" that was beamed from many thousands of feet above them, allowing them to interpret enemy activity and take action. Typhoon is now able to drop Paveway 2, Enhanced Paveway 2 and freefall 1,000lb bombs.
On the ground an example of the multi-role Typhoon armed with the latest ground attack munitions was shown off alongside the RAF's Lancaster bomber and Spitfire of the Battle of Britain Memorial Flight, also based at RAF Coningsby. The Lancaster was the best British ground attack bomber of World War Two, and the Spitfire was the air-defence fighter that defended the skies of Southern England against the Luftwaffe during the Battle of Britain.
Today's announcement comes after several intensive weeks of trials in the US which culminated in exercise Green Flag in Nevada. Seven Typhoons dropped a variety of bombs with such precision and effect that plans for the aircraft to be declared combat ready were prepared as soon as they returned to the UK.
From today a number RAF Typhoons will be at operational readiness to deploy overseas if deemed necessary. There are no plans at present to deploy Typhoon to Afghanistan or Iraq; the RAF's Tornado GR4 Force is due to deploy to Kandahar next spring to replace Harriers.
The Typhoon has been operational since July last year when it started taking on the Air Defence role of "Quick Reaction Alert" (QRA), the 24/7 readiness to intercept and deal with threats to the UK's air space.
Mainland UK air defence is conducted from RAF Coningsby (Southern QRA) with Typhoons, and RAF Leuchars in Scotland (Northern QRA), currently with Tornado but within a few years with Typhoon also. The RAF also provides QRA over the Falklands with Tornado, but it is planned for Typhoon to assume that role next year.
Added Gp Capt Atha:
"Typhoon will be the cornerstone of the RAF's airpower capability for the next three decades and enable us to deliver a range of precise effects to defend the UK and support its aims globally."
Wg Cdr Gav Parker, Officer Commanding XI Sqn, said of the new Litening III designator pod:
"I was able to track a car from high altitude, with the pod automatically following it as it stopped, started and travelled around bends in the road. During the Exercise Typhoon proved that it is an excellent ground-attack aircraft. The ability to deploy freefall weapons as well as precision munitions is still a key capability because they can be delivered very quickly and fused to achieve a wide range of effects.
"Due to Typhoon's inherent air-defence capabilities it has the advantage of being able to "self escort" whereas other older types of ground-attack aircraft often have to have a dedicated shield of air defence fighters with them for protection.
"Exercise Green Flag in Nevada allowed us to better understand how we can assist the land environment in a conflict. Understanding the situation on the ground is essential in order to carry out close air support quickly and efficiently while minimising the risk to civilians and wider infrastructure," added Wg Cdr Parker.
"The Rover III technology links the pictures and data from our Litening III targeting pod to ground forces via a laptop-style receiver, allowing both pilot and soldier to see the same picture and jointly decide on the appropriate air response." (ends)
RAF Typhoons Now Multi-Role Capable
(Source: UK Ministry of Defence; issued July 1, 2008)
The Royal Air Force has declared its Typhoon jets multi-role capable today. The RAF Typhoons can now carryout precision Ground Attack as well as Air Defence tasks. The declaration, which was made at the home base of the Typhoon Force, RAF Coningsby in Lincolnshire, represents a major milestone in the development of the state-of-the-art aircraft.
Commander-in-Chief of the RAF, Air Chief Marshal Sir Clive Loader said:
"The declaration of Typhoon being multi-role capable is a truly significant step in the development of this remarkable aircraft...This latest capability upgrade gives the Royal Air Force the most operationally flexible aircraft it has ever had."
Typhoon aircraft took part in a very successful deployment to the USA in spring for trials and front-line training culminating in Exercise Green Flag, which is a large USAF and US Army exercise that involves Close Air Support to troops. The Typhoons proved their ability to deploy to environments that are representative of current operational theatres. During this deployment the aircraft demonstrated exceptional serviceability by achieving 99% of planned sorties.
A delighted Group Captain Stuart Atha, Station Commander of RAF Coningsby said at Nellis Air Force Base, Nevada:
"What we have in Typhoon is a world-beating aircraft. The mantra in the RAF is, 'agile, adaptable and capable' and that is precisely what this aircraft is." Talking about the ground attack role, he added: "You just have to look at the world today to see the relevance of the air-to-surface role, and hence it is really important that this aircraft should have this capability. Well we've done it; we have achieved it. The guys have demonstrated the capability, which is great news."
BACKGROUND NOTES:
1. The Typhoon Multi-Role declaration is formally known as MR OED: Multi-Role Operational Employment Date.
2. Exercise Green Flag ran from 23rd May to 6th June this year at Nellis Air force Base, Nevada, USA. The exercise provides world class Close Air Support training for US and Allied forces in realistic combat environments.
3. Over a two-week period of pre-exercise training at Davis Monthan AFB, Arizona, a total of ten Typhoons from XI and 17(Reserve) Squadrons, dropped a total of 67 munitions, comprising 43 Paveway II bombs, eight enhanced Paveway IIIs and 16 1,000 lb free-fall bombs.
4. The Typhoon's first operational role started on 29th June 2007 when it assumed Quick Reaction Alert (Interceptor) South duties, which it shared at the time with Tornado F3 aircraft.
5. In January 2008 Typhoon achieved its planned Air Defence Operational Employment Date (ADX OED). In April 08 the Typhoon assumed complete responsibility for QRA(I) South and was declared deployable in the Air Defence role to NATO.
6. Typhoon is the result of a formal agreement in 1988 between the United Kingdom, Germany, Italy and Spain to develop an agile multi-role aircraft capable of being deployed in the full spectrum of air operations.
Pilot (F-16 usaf) Tackles Typhoons During Exchange Duty in England
(Source: US Air Force; issued July 1, 2008)
ROYAL AIR FORCE CONINGSBY, England --- When an American F-16 Fighting Falcon pilot was given the opportunity of applying for an exchange posting, he had no hesitation in selecting a tour to fly the F-2 Typhoon with the Royal Air Force.
"I was attracted by the opportunity to fly a new airplane, to go somewhere different and be part of developing the tactics and procedures on a new aircraft," Maj. Paul Carlton said.
After 20 hours flying Hawks at RAF Valley to familiarize himself with England's airspace and procedures, the major joined 29 ® Squadron to fly Typhoons at RAF Coningsby, which is about 130 miles north of London. .
"My first impression was it had lots of things which make pilots happy -- thrust, speed, altitude and turn capability. It's a lot of fun to fly and Typhoon is certainly going to transform the RAF," he said. "As it moves forward in its development, Typhoon will become a larger and larger player in coalition operations."
Major Carlton said size is the main difference between a U.S. Air Force flying squadron and one from the RAF: A U.S. squadron has two to three times the aircraft, pilots and members.
"There's also a very different attitude and culture," he said. "However, it's the people who make or break what you do and the very reason I am here is to engage with people and I've enjoyed the opportunity of integrating into the local culture."
The major, who is now one of four American pilots at RAF Coningsby, has also enjoyed the opportunity of contributing to development of the F-2 in service.
"We bring a balance to the training program. With our experience of multirole aircraft, we can provide input on where best to place emphasis to meet the mission," he said.
British Group Capt. Stuart Atha, the station commander at RAF Coningsby and head of the Typhoon force, said he is a strong advocate of the exchange program.
"The relationship between the RAF and U.S. military is very close, and since World War II it has gone from strength to strength," Group Captain Atha said. "I am delighted we have a number of U.S. pilots here at Coningsby so we can learn from each other and share our knowledge. This is an outstanding opportunity to exploit our respective knowledge. The fact that we've done it so early in the genesis of the program is a reflection of the closeness of the two air forces."
The exchange program, in its current guise, commenced in 1971 when the flying services agreed to allow each other's personnel to fill reciprocal positions. Designed to maximize the special relationship the United Kingdom shared with the United States, the benefits to many areas of air force activity were immediately apparent, Group Captain Atha said. The exchange program grew steadily to encompass agreements with the U.S. Navy, Marine Corps, Army and Coast Guard.
The range of specializations also broadened and now embraces everything from air transport, fast jet and airborne early warning to project engineers, research and development, and force protection specialists to name but a few. The program today stands at an exchange of some 60 RAF members who have swapped places with 60 Americans now stationed in England.
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Se confermato, riceveremo 2 F-35A per la fase di test, rispettivamente da LRIP 3 e 4. Volevamo un B ma a causa della riduzione di aerei e ore di volo di test non è possibile.
Comunque i piloti italiani avranno l'opportunità di volare su tutto, F-35B e F-35C
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Non siamo gli unici a mandare i Tornado ma anche gli inglesi stanno per sostituire gli Harrier con i Tornado Gr4
From today a number RAF Typhoons will be at operational readiness to deploy overseas if deemed necessary. There are no plans at present to deploy Typhoon to Afghanistan or Iraq; the RAF's Tornado GR4 Force is due to deploy to Kandahar next spring to replace Harriers. -
Oh gioia, oh sommo gaudio... Sì, insomma: quasi.
tenendo presente che doveva arrivare in primavera
, l'arrivo è un miracolo ma quello vero sarà l'arrivo dei KC che avranno un ritardo di soli 3-4 anni -
Basta vedere le grossissime difficolta di mantenere la qualifica al rifornimento dei piloti, almeno 1 ogni 4/6 mesi, ora che anche l'ultimo 707 è stato messo a terra le cose sono al collasso. Finchè i KC-130 saranno pienamente abilitati, si deve fare affidamento sui tanker di passaggio.
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è arrivato il CTA
Aeronautica: arrivato a Pratica il 767 civile
È atterrato ieri a Pratica di Mare il Boeing 767-200 Commercial Trainer Aircraft (CTA), la soluzione temporanea raggiunta da Boeing con l’Aeronautica Militare per ovviare alle difficoltà causate dal ritardo del programma tanker KC-767A. L’aereo è stato trasferito da due piloti Boeing che sono stati accolti dal col. Andrea John Venanzi, comandante del 14° Stormo. Con il CTA sarà possibile ridurre di circa un anno il ritardo relativo alla mancata con segna del KC-767A.
L’aereo - che resta di proprietà del costruttore americano - servirà sia per addestrare gli equipaggi che per fornire una capacità di trasporto verso i teatri operativi in cui operano contingenti italiani. Il programma prevede innanzi tutto di completare il passaggio macchina degli equipaggi e - successivamente - la transizione al ruolo trasporto. Dei sette equipaggi che il 14° Stormo prevede di abilitare quest’anno, tre hanno già effettuato l’addestramento iniziale su simulatore presso Alteon, società addestrativa del gruppo Boeing. Altri cinque effettueranno la transizione nel 2009, consentendo di raggiungere la capacità operativa iniziale nel ruolo trasporto. Quella per il rifornimento in volo dovrà invece attendere la consegna del vero KC-767AA. La disponibilità del CTA permetterà l’uscita definitiva dalla linea dell’ultimo Boeing 707T/T ed il suo trasferimento negli USA prima che venga fermato da alcune scadenze tecniche.
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Per FREMM-it intendevo semplicemente le FREMM nostrane (non sapendo la versione offerta) e non la versione francese estremamente diversa
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... e poi ai Marines le LHD servono per sbarcare i fucilieri e difficilmente per altro.
Veramente in Iraq alcune LHD hanno operato proprio come CVE.
Tra l'altro attualmente un 1/3 della flotta anfibia dei Marines è usata ad uso esclusivo di USN, LHD compresa anzi un ESG intero con 0 Marines ha scorazzato per mesi (e molti non riescono a capire il motivo, alcuni supponevano sulla necessità di un gruppo per evacuare rapidamente connazionali da un paese in guerra, e in un ESG ci stanno moltissime persone per 2/3 giorni).
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Tre Cavour nel mondo dei sogni, due sarebbe già fantastico. Personalmente una MMI su due PA mi andrebbe benone. Quelle LHA, in Italia verrebbero dai politici chiamate Portaerei, c'è poco da fare. Chiamerebbero PA perfino il BPE è bello condividere il disprezzo per il ...
Carissimo, se mi proponessero di sostituire il Beppino per una USS America sarei già a firmare il contratto.
(ci starebbe 3/4 della FPM
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Quoto il NO alle corvette stile WWII. Armate alla leggera si, grazie anche all'elicottero, ma 2500t (almeno) sono il minimo per operazioni oceaniche, sia per l'autonomia che per la tenuta col mare grosso (si vedano i limiti dei comandanti)
New MAESTRALEEEEEEE fsfsfsfsfsfsfsfsfsfsfsfsf New MAESTRALEEEEEEE fsfsfsfsfsfsfsfsfsfsfsfsf
Scafo delle Maestrale e sovrastrutture di derivazione MOSAIC/FREMM
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Asseriscono, anche, che non vogliono perdere uno spot per elicottero, cosa che perderebbe senso visto che con 30 m in più di nave si crea un nuovo spot a dritta.
US Navy non credo vedrebbe di buon occhio una concorrenza interna.
La classe politica americana è piuttosto strana in ambito navale, tiene ancora in riserva un BB nonostante USN la ritenga utile solo per fare lamette.
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è bello condividere il disprezzo per il ... 
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Scheda andrea doria
in Marina Militare
Inviato